RedRamage

Age really isn't that huge of a factor as passing for big yards is really more of a new(ish) thing in the NFL. It only happened twice before 1980, 15 times in the 80s, and then started really picking up steam in the 90s. So being a team that goes back beyond the 80s doesn't really grant you a better shot of having a 4K passer vs. more recent teams. Still, you're right that you'd like they'd accidentally hit it at least once or twice. If Kitna could do it - twice even - with the Lions, someone from the Bears should have been able to hit that number some time. https://www.profootballhof.com/football-history/4000-yard-seasons-by-quarterback/

Man, that brings back memories. I remember too that it seems the Broncos just plugged-n-played with RBs back then. Just insert any ol' back and watch him rack up the yards. 1997: Davis - 1750 yards 1998: Davis - 2008 yards 1999: Gary - 1159 yards (in just 12 games) 2000: Anderson - 1487 yards 2001: Davis - 701 yards in 8 games (Anderson with 678 as primary backup) 2002: Portis - 1508 2003: Portis - 1591 2004: Droughns - 1240

Its hard to blame Lions fans for fearing that crash though. We've be disappointed for decades... it takes a while to not wonder when the next shoe is dropping. And speaking specifically of coordinators... we have NO experience with having a successful coordinator getting poached by another team. I mean look at this list... I don't think there is a single name here who was hired away from the Lions: You have to go all the way back to 1962 when Shula was our DC and the Baltimore Colts hired him away as their HC. I dare say most of us weren't even alive back then, let alone avidly following the Lions. (In case you're curious: Since then the closest we came to losing a guy was Darrell Bevell who got hired as the Bills coach, but he wasn't really poached as he wasn't coming back to the Lions as OC after serving as interim HC after Patricia was fired. Correcting myself after Tater pointed out my error: Since then the closest we came was when our DC was was "Richard" Jauron. He was elevated to interim HC after Mariucci was fired and wasn't coming back.)

Honestly, if Darnold hasn't choked yet I don't think it's going to happen. Even if his two loses he didn't play bad. 22/27, 1 TD, 1 INT against the Lions and 18/25, 2 TD, 0 INT against the Rams. I don't think it's likely that our banged and bruised defense is going to get pressure on Darnold. This is going to be a high scoring game.

It depends on if you include interim HCs and if you include non-NFL HC jobs: Darrel Bevell was an Interim HC in '20 for the Lions and in '21 for the Jags. Matt Patricia hasn't been a HC since. Jim Caldwell hasn't been a HC since. Jim Schwartz hasn't been a HC since. Rod Marinelli hasn't been a HC since. **** Jauron was the intern head coach for the Lions for 5 games in 2005 and the Bills hired him as their HC in '06 - '09. Steve Mariucci hasn't been a HC since. Marty Mornhinweg hasn't been a HC since. Bobby Ross was hired as Army HC for 3 years after leaving the Lions. Wayne Fontes hasn't been a HC since. Darryl Rogers coached the Oklahoma City Twisters in '90 and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (CFL) in '91. Tommy Hudspeth coached the Toronto Argonauts (CFL) for a few years after leaving Detroit. Rick Forzano hasn't been a HC since. Don McCafferty hasn't been a HC since. Joe Schmidt hasn't been a HC since. Harry Gilmer hasn't been a HC since. George Wilson went on to coach the Dolphins after leaving the Lions, but his last year there was 1969... 1970 is when the AFL and NFL merged so this wasn't, technically, and NFL team when Wilson was coaching it. And finally we get to Buddy Parker who coached the Pittsburgh Steelers from '57-'64. More than 60 years back until we get a hired Lions HC who was hired by another NFL team as their HC.

This seems like the ultimate in Cherry Picking. Keeping looking at stats until you find the right ones that line up. Rookie QBs for over 3300? Lots of them... But also with over 450 rushing? Still quite a few... hmm... what about 18 passing TDs? Okay... now we're cutting down the list, but we still have a few. Oh, what about 6 or fewer INTs? THERE WE GO!!

I thought it was them celebrating Darnold getting 4K passing yards.

I had to cut it off at 12 wins... it just got too crowded at that bottom. In case you're curious: 11 - Tommy Hudspeth 10 - Harry Gilmer & Rod Marinelli 6 - Gus Henderson & Don McCafferty 5 - Marty Mornhinweg 4 - Bill Edwards & Gary Moeller 1 - **** Jauron & Darrell Bevell 0 - John Karcis (coached 8 games, no wins.) & Robert Price Quick Edit to add: This is only regular season wins.

Lions made on Jomboy Media: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwJF-y484DQ

Yeah, I thought the flag flew really early on that one. But we kinda sorta got it back when the ref flagged the Bear fro tipping the ball.

Stupid Seahawks!! So close! Ugh.

The ownership/front office would be my concern. I think Williams' problems are a product of the inept coaching there more than anything else. Obviously there is the concern that they "broke" him, but it's only one season. But if I was Ben I'd be much more worried about the front office and ownership.

I don't think they'd rest healthy players, but they may not play questionable players and/or they may start pulling players part way through the game... especially if they are winning or losing by a good bit. That said, I don't see a likely senario with the Lions have the #1 set no matter the outcome of the last game. It would require both the Vikings and the Eagles losing another game before week 18 (or possibly during week 18 for the Eagles depending on when all the games are played). It's certainly possible that the Eagles lose to the Commanders this Sunday (in order words: Root for the Commanders!) but I wouldn't bet on it. It's also possible that the Vikings lose the Seahawks and/or the Packers, but again that's not how I'd bet if I actually did any betting. I really think week 18 is going to be a 'must win' in order to get the #1 seed.

Neither. He's just extraordinarily passionate for the Lions and lives and dies on each play. I think we all get a bit worked up during the game and overreact to things. Now, imho TP goes a bit too far down the over-reaction road, but I kinda/sorta get it... it's not always easy to stay level headed and logical during a game.

Being realistic about the damage to the defense is NOT the same as jumping off the bandwagon. I still think the Lions and beat SanFran and Chicago and possibly even the Vikings, but it definitely got harder to do. And come the playoffs they'll be facing nothing but the best teams in the NFL and doing it with one hand of the defense tied behind their back. Again, not impossible, but significantly harder. 100% agreement there. It's not the loss that's the problem. It's the loss of two more starters and a backup on an already injury riddled defense. If Dorsey can be play Safety we can legitimately field a decent defense with just our guys we've got injured right now: DL: Hutch, McNeill, Cominsky, Davenport LB: Barnes, Anzalone, Rodrigo CB: Davis, Rackstraw S: Iffy, Dorsey?? This part I agree with. Defensively we've upgraded significantly. Smith is a nice DE to put on the opposite end. McNeill came out as a star last year and has only added to it this year. Davis is a nice pickup at CB and Arnold looks to be great at the other CB spot. Campbell at LB as grown considerably. If the defense is all healthy that starting lineup is top notch. I'm a little worried about the age of the OL, but I think they've got at least another year or two of top level play there.

Okay, so if we can beat the Bears and the 49ers... which seems doable even with our heavily depleted defense... and if we can get the Packers to beat the Vikings (wait a minutes for me to wash my hands after rooting for the Packers), then we could go into week 18 with the division sewn up.

Ah man... this is NICE. I love that they have all the tie breakers shown.

Yeah, losing Montgomery isn't horrible imho. We have depth there in Gibbs and Reynolds and even Vaki. It'll hurt, but not as much as if it was a defensive starter going out. If McNeill and Davis AND Monty are all out there... that's just a bit more straw on the camel's back.

I won't say their season is over, but I also don't anticipate a deep run in the playoffs. There are just too many injuries to over come. I still think we'll beat Chicago and SanFran... unsure on the Vikings. But I don't feel good about going up against playoff caliber teams with duct tape defense.

Is there is I don't think they have it all on one side of the ball, certainly.

So... who did we want to lose this week? Eagles of course... Packers just for more breathing room... Vikings obviously, and the Chiefs just because. And who did lose this week? None of them! (Well, unless the Bears pull off a miracle.) If we were in the NFC South or West we'd have clinched the division already. But because we're in the North we actually could end up 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd yet.

Without trying to be too much of a debbie downer... I agree. I mean this is what the project depth chart was supposed to be going into the season (as best I can piece together... let me know if I got something wrong!): And this is just the injury status right now. Reader, Levi, Martin, and Pachal have all missed games with injury issues, as has Arnold. Plus there are people who've been added to this chart who are also hurt now as well.

It's just our luck that the Lions are finally really, really good and oh... guess what... so are the Vikings and Packers. 12-2 and we haven't clinched the division. We could very easily end up 14-3 and be the 5th seed in the NFC. That's just crazy.

I disagree, kinda. I mean I know any given Sunday and all that, but... Bills: Definitely a tough game. @ Chicago: I hope the weather will be bad because I think we're better in bad weather. Sure, this could be a trap game, but the Bears are a mess right now. Rookie QB, Rookie (interim) HC. This should not be a tough game. The only thing I worry about here is health. As long as we're mostly healthy we should win this one. Should NOT be a touch game. @ SanFran: The 49ers aren't good right now. It's been a bad year for them and we should be able to win this one decently. Should NOT be a tough game. IF it comes down to the Vikings having a shot at the division (and possibly #1 seed) this will be a dangerous game. But again, assuming reasonable health... we beat them in Minny, we should be able to beat them at home. It WILL be a tough game So two tough games, but two that should be relatively easy.