RedRamage

I think you'd have to be a very cold hearted person to not second guess the whole incident and at least feel some remorse, justified or not. However, I would expect that to have effected him more when it happened. Two months later I don't expect to see super lingering feelings. I do think it is possible that him getting charged with doing something wrong effected him mentally, and this might have played some part into his poor pro-day workout. That said, if it did play a part that doesn't excuse his pro-day... it might explain it and again if that is what happened it's one more data point to put into the equation when you try to calculate who Carter actually is.

Alright, I see a lot of smack talk going around re: Carter and think many of y'all are being way to black and white on this. There's a possibility that: 1. Carter is just a kid who made some dumb mistakes, but the consequence of those mistakes are sitting so heavy on him right now. He's learned his lesson is a horrible way and he just hasn't been able to concentrate on football matters much, which explains being out of shape for his pro-day. But as I said he's learned his lesson, he's on the straight and narrow now and really to prove all the high drafts on him are right, just give him the chance. 2. Carter has gotten by on talent alone and assumed everything would just fall in place naturally for him. He just never figured any drinking and drive would lead to any danger and it's just dumb bad luck that the other people died. He's entitled and letting all the draft talk go to his head and just expecting to be a top 10 pick and rake in the dough. Of course, the reality is that probably both #1 and #2 are wrong and really it's somewhere in the middle. That's were we need the people making the big bucks to be looking into him and digging up whatever bits they can to paint the most accurate picture on Carter. I honestly don't know where Carter falls between 1 and 2. If you can place him at 1.3 or less, I'd probably be happy to take a flyer on him. If it's more like 1.6 or higher... then I'd say pass. And now you're asking: "This ain't news to any of us... what's your point?" My point is stop talking in absolutes. Recognize that it's possible there are enough red flags that Holmes/Campbell know that we don't that they aren't going to draft him, even if he's top tier talent. Recognize also that Holmes/Campbell have a lot more info than we do and it may be good enough for them to risk drafting him.

I'm SHOCKED... just SHOCKED.

It could be they want Carter and so by leaking this news they are trying to make it look like even the Raiders are so worried about his character that someone like the Lions, who usually avoid character issue guys, should really stay away. In other words trying to keep people ahead of the Raiders from drafting him. It could be that the Raiders are trying to make it look more like they'll be drafting the guy that teams after them are targeting. If a QB falls past the Lions and Carter is still on the board if you don't think the Raiders are going to draft Carter and you do want that QB, you might try to trade up for fear the Raiders take the QB. Are either of these things likely to massively sway an opposing front office to make the do what you want them too? Probably not. But if a front office was close to doing something anyway this might be the nudge that pushes them in the right direction for you... and it costs you absolutely nothing, so why not try?

I will believe this only when (if?) Carter is available at 7 and the Raider pass on him. This very well may be a true story but this is the time of year where one could never take any comments coming out of an NFL front office at face value. I think it's just as likely that this is misinformation intentionally leaked vs. real info that slipped... heck, it's probably more likely that it was intentionally leaked.

I didn't subscribe to their service last year but my brother did and he also reported nothing but problems. He was doing it more for RedWings than Tigers but had issues connect, constant buffering and dropped connections.

If you purchase their plan then sure... you can watch it on their site. Otherwise if you have Bally Sports with your TV package you should be able to sign-in through your TV provider and watch it. If not, then you're out of luck for ways to watch it legally.

I just did a quickie measurement using Google Maps. The current space has an area of around 1M sq ft or about 23 acres... so not nearly enough. Just for the fun of it... This is about 28.5 acres.

I guess that also raises the question: Would this rule eliminate normal onsides kicks or just add the 4th and 15 option? If it eliminates normal onsides kicks then it eliminates surprises onsides kicks too... which I also don't like.

Just put a scale in the floor tiles and secretly weight him.

I think the idea is that the Lions have addressed all (most?) of their needs in FA so they are ready to go with best player available and if that BPA is a QB, well then... that's who they'll draft.

I'd be VERY happy with that trade myself. We get a solid DT, we still have a 1st coming up at 18, and we pick up a second first for next year? Sign me up.

That trade would make me think Holmes was secretly still working for the Rams.

I could be wrong, but I tend of think that if he were sick that we would have heard about that by now. Obviously that's not 100% certain, but I have to think his camp would be releasing that information. Heck it wouldn't be that hard to turn it into a positive: "We apologize for those who came to see Carter at his pro-day. Unfortunately Carter was suffering from a a bad illness. Many were urging him to not do the workout but Carter insisted, not wanting to let down those who had traveled to see him. He felt he could still provide a good showing but because of his sickness he wasn't able to perform nearly up to his normal standard."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-considering-several-major-rule-changes-for-2023-touchbacks-could-be-modified-on-both-punts-and-kickoffs/ One of the rule changes is do what the XFL and apparently the USFL are doing with regards to an onside kick. Instead of the onside kick the proposal is a 4th and 15 or 4th and 20 from your own 25 yard line. If you convert, you keep the ball. Honestly, I think it's probably easier to do that than the onsides kick so I'd prefer to keep the onside kick.

Bats with embedded RGB LEDs. Kids these days are all about the RGB.

I honestly think most people would be fine with them drafting Carter. I think most of us would assume that Holmes and Campbell feel they can get a good player out of him. Now, 2 years or so later we might be losing our minds and falling over ourselves with "I told you so" talk, but I think most reactions will relative tame. In fact, here's my reaction... I've pre-written my script: It surprises me that they do this. I'm worried that he isn't going to pan out in the NFL but I trust, at least right now, Holmes and Campbell. They've obviously done their homework and their getting paid millions to do the job... I'm just some guy behind a keyboard, so I hope they are right... But I reserve the right to say "I told you so" at a future date if needed.

I put in a prompt for an AI art generator: Lions and Tigers fighting. I think I'm gonna make this my avatar!

Yes please. I'd do that instantly. And with all those 1st round picks I might be tempted to grab Carter if he's available given we have enough insurance with other 1sts.

So, which ex-Lion ends up with more catches for the Giants: Galladay or Oruwariye?

And when has there been this good of a feeling about the Lions in terms of completeness of the team? When you don't know who the starter is at LT and you've got maybe two respectable WR and nobody but depth pieces as OLB with question marks at kick returner and Safety and maybe an over the hill RB... well, backup QB is pretty far down the list of priorities. But when you have some uncertainty at inside DL, low depth at LB, and are maybe a little lean in the WR room... well lack of QB depth starts to stand out a little more. I don't think there is a single fan here who doesn't think Goff did a great job last year. I don't think there's a single fan here who wouldn't be thrilled if he put up the same sort of year in 2023. I don't think there is a single fan here who thinks we need to ditch Goff in order to be successful for 2023. I think there are people who question is Goff will put up another 2022 year. Has he done it before? Yes. Has he also have poor years before? Yes. It's not crazy talk to wonder if Goff will repeat his success, and wondering about it doesn't mean we hate Goff. It's also not crazy talk to worry that Goff might get hurt. Prior to last year Stafford was a pretty reliable QB. He missed 8 games in the 11 seasons prior to 2022, and yet he still missed half of 2022. Football is a violent sport and season ending injuries happen. That's why you want depth. Wanting competent backup at QB is not hating on Goff. It's also not crazy talk to want an upgrade at QB. It's not crazy talk to want an upgrade at any position. Wanting another DE or another OL or another whomever is not saying that you hate the players currently in that position. It's reasonable to speculate what the team might to do upgrade now and to be ready for the future... especially with a team that looks on paper to have very few holes. This speculation is not hating on Goff.

I think you're mostly way over blowing what people are saying when they want to address backup QB. I think most people are saying it's an area that needs to be addressed but it isn't something that it's the most urgent thing in the world. Given that (at least on paper) the team seems to be pretty talented and with good depth in most areas, it's pretty natural to identify the areas where we may be in weaker shape depth-wise... like QB. Wanted to have a better backup is NOT an indictment of Goff anymore than people wanting to draft Anderson is saying that they don't like Hutch.

Not sure if I like the trade or not, but the price doesn't seem too high to me really. We're essentially trading two mid-second rounders to get a late 1st round pick, and then trading two early 6th round picks to get an early 5th round pick. I think I'd tend to want more picks for Holmes to work his magic, but I'd be tempted especially if they really like Washington.

I agree. If Character is not an issue (which as an outsider it seems like it very much is) then Carter is a perfect fit for the Lions need. He's talented enough to be worthy of a high pick and fits in a spot that the Lions need help with. Can't ask for more than that. But again... I worry seriously about his off the field stuff. Yes kids do stupid things, but his stupid things seem more stupid than normal. And not being in better shape for your pro-day after having to leave the Combine seems a big red flag.