RedRamage

That's probably a very valid point. I mean we're all just doing a lot of arm-chair GMing here. Unless any of y'all are holding out on us, none of us have actually interviewed either of these guys so it's all just a lot of conjecture based on what other people are saying. But even with perfect knowledge of the interview process it's still a guessing game. GMs can use past experience to estimate what will happen but there's no sure fire way of knowing 100%.

Well, yes, but... if we assume (for the sake of argument) that he's interested in his brand more than he is football, then his motivation is potentially questionable. Again, we're assuming a bunch of stuff for the sake of argument assuming that Hutch is all about making football great and fun and all that and Thibs if all about making himself great and rich, then Thibs might be less likely to put all his effort in plays where he doesn't stand to win the accolades. If he's rushing the passer, he'll go all out. If he's just blocking his zone he might not put as much into it. Off the field he may be less invested in little things like working hard. He might be less winning to work with a team to restructure a deal or mentor new rookies after he's had a few years of seasoning. He might be less winning to come back after an injury if the team isn't in contention for the post season. He might be less winning to stick around with a smaller market team if he can land a contract with a higher profile team. Now I'm making a LOT of assumptions and conjectures here and I readily admit that. I don't know Thibs AT ALL so I can't say if this is him at all. I'm just trying to say that I can understand how 'commitment to football' could be seen as an issue and pointing out areas where it might manifest itself.

Just my opinion, but I think Campbell would go nuts. Hutch seems like exactly the kinda player he wants.

No, the best thing would be talking Walker. If they take Neal then the Lions had the choice between Walker and Hutch and there will be many people complaining that they took the wrong one.

I think betting odds aren't always a good indicator as Vegas is more interested in making money rather than being right. The odds are adjusted to give themselves the lowest payout. That said there does appear to be more and more smoke around Walker to jags... and this close to the draft I think there's probably a little less click bait vs. wanting to have an accurate mock that writers can point to to show how smart they are. If I was a betting man I'd still bet on Hutch to jags, but I would also be thrilled if he fell to #2.

I saw that too and immediately dismissed it.

I forgot too. 😞 I wish they just did it Sundays and maybe Saturdays.

All you guys bag on Patterson but he's the best QB the Panthers have had in decades. Put him on a different team with good parts around him and I bet he wins a championship. In all seriousness, @davidsb623 is right, he wasn't the biggest problem. He looked really bad in the first qtr, in part because his OL was non-existent. But he performed decently in the 2nd half. I'm not saying he's NFL caliber, but he good enough for the USFL I thought.

I think it's Hutch or Walker myself.

Stupid Jacksonville... just make up your darn mind already!

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Wow these guys suck... they'll fit right in here.

It's pretty common though that "next years" picks are worth less than this years picks. You give up the value of the pick now for a better place next year. I'd even say that the Dolphins got a good deal in that trade... I mean in terms of value.

I dunno... I mean I get what your saying, that's he was put off by having to following the NFL song and dance and just left. But, if he doesn't like this "song and dance" what other things is he going to buck against? Obviously just because he won't do this doesn't mean he'll automatically not do other things, but does make me wonder: Will he skip out on "non-mandatory" mini-camps? Will he think he knows better than the coaches and so not follow their training recommendations? Talent, by itself, is meaningless. Without proper motivation and desire talent won't carry you at the pro-level. (The flip side of this is that motivation and desire, by themselves, are also meaningless.) You can have all the talent in the world but if you don't learn the system, work out, mesh with your team and coaches, you won't be great for the team. Titus Young is an example of this... granted, he didn't have the talent level of Kayvon, but he had good physical skills but mentally failed. (Just to reply to the question I'm sure I'll get asked: Are you seriously comparing Kayvon's mental makeup to Young? No, I'm saying that Young is an example of how talent without proper motivation failed a player.)

What's 66 over all worth on the chart? I'm fairly confident it isn't 600 points, but it might make it slightly more palatable. I looked it up: 260. So it's 2860 pts for 3200... still not a very good return for the Giants.

Not sure if these trades are realistic, but I didn't force anything.

I'm not necessarily saying it won't happen, but until I start seeing mocks with Walker taken by the Jags I'm going to assume it's more talk/click-bait then reality. Obviously it could happen... and I'd like it if it did. But until I see someone put their reputation on the line (for whatever that's worth) by mocking Walker 1st over all I'm not going to think it'll happen.

That's like the 3rd almost HR for him, right? Anyone think he's second guessing coming to Detroit? 🙂

Purely as a discussion cause it wouldn't happen in real life: On a scale of 7th round to 2nd round, what would you be willing to give up to move from 2nd to 1st pick? Obviously we'd have to give up our 2nd over all pick, but what else would you give up to get Hutchinson? Take into account our current situation: That is that we have a lot of holes to fill and that while Hutch seem to be the highest rated edge pick AND a good fit for a Dan Campbell led Lions, there are still other very good DL options beyond him. Note also this isn't a question of what you think the Jags would accept, just a question of what you'd be willing to give up. Personally I'm pretty sure I'd give up our last 3rd rounder (97th over all). I don't think I'd go any higher than that.

Anyone want to help me make this on Reddit's place? https://www.reddit.com/r/place/?cx=611&cy=997&px=23

This just came across my youtube feed: I actually remember watching this game... it was just crazy.

If they'd take the Rams pick, I'd do that instantly. But I'm guessing they would look for the Lions pick 'cause it'll likely be much higher. Could be (assuming this is true) they are trying to position themselves to be able to take the best QB option next year?

Thanks for the info/clarification.