Stanley70

Agreed. If they feel they can win with Goff, or they feel that none of the QB's coming out next year are enough of an improvement over Goff to warrant giving up the kind of draft capitol it will take, they can stand pat and wait another year. We'll find out after this year. Goff will definitely have the pieces around him to succeed. If Goff does play well does it make sense to trade for Stroud or someone else if they don't grade out as elite?

If Holmes is sold on one of those QB's they will pay what it takes. If it takes 3 number ones they will do that. It isn't a slam dunk that those guys are are in the Trevor Lawrence area anyway. Stroud had the best group receivers in history probably and rarely had pressure, hard to get a good read on him. Bryce Young is 5'11 195 lbs, that will turn some teams off. So if the Lions are drafting in 10-15 area i would think 2 first rounders plus another pick, maybe a 2nd or 3rd would get it done.

If the Tigers 6 years into this rebuild have to move young major leaguers to restock the farm system, it shouldn't be Avila doing the trading. I seriously doubt Avila would even consider doing it anyways. Possibly they would move guys with expiring contracts,.

Wenceel has been in West Michigan for a while and he is definitely bigger than he was a few years ago. Before this year he was rail thin and didn't have the strength to drive the ball. This year with the added muscle he is a much different hitter. He looks to be just as quick as well. We have seen guys develop power after seemingly stagnating in the minors before. I think he is legit now and will be bumped up to AA ball soon.

This is true. It makes the last 60 years of Lionsdom even more hard to explain. Especially the last 40 since they weren't really trying during the Russ Thomas era.

What i am concerned about is aside from Greene and Tork, whom have achieved nothing to date, how many long term pieces do we have? Baez and Meadows should be two more. The rest you have to question. And there aren't any prospects in minors that look like they can be productive regulars in the next year or two either. If Candelario doesn't work out it shouldn't be a big deal. But it will be if we also need a second baseman, right fielder, catcher and a DH. It will be tough to fill all of those positions for next year and compete.

Unless Goff really surprises this year they will be looking for a QB next year. Either in the draft or a trade for a veteran. If they don't find a deal they like they can wait another year.

I wasn't making the prediction that the Lions were going to win 10 games and go to the playoff's. It is reasonably possible if a few players step up, which is a lot different than the feeling going into the last couple of years. By my count they play 6 games against teams with winning records from last year. So if the young guys on the d-line step up, and the corners are ok i could see them surprising.

The only teams they are definitely worse than is Buffalo, Dallas and Green Bay. If they are healthy and aren't overly unlucky in close games they could win 9-10 games. They have a lot of talented young guys who may or may not be legit that could step up this year. I expect Goff to be functional and when they have all the pieces in place on offense it could be around a top 10 unit, even with Goff. The defense will be better just by virtue getting a bunch of guys back healthy. Add in the guys they got in the draft and they will be much better. They still have huge holes at linebacker, a young DL, and need a #1 corner so they will still be below average. Maybe it's too much kool-aid but they could make the playoffs if they hit on some of these top draft picks from the last couple of drafts.

Now Jerry Juedy is in jail. Ruggs is prison and Ridley is suspended for a year. Maybe we should have avoided Bama WR's.

is this season already done, we can't even score a run as the hitters make outs whilst the motown forum board pouts and the summer hasn't even begun

The Tigers won't be a consistent over 500 team until they start producing homegrown, cost controlled, first division position players. Supposedly they are integrating a bunch of analytics and technology in the minors that will start yielding results, but even that will take time. I'm not sure how Avila gets credit for these changes when he is about 10 years behind the rest of MLB.

AJ has had to get creative because he has a flawed roster that is somehow last in homeruns and stolen bases. And bad at defense. Grossman, Meadows, Badoo, and Reyes are all LF'ers. The middle infield reserves are below averaged defenders at SS. And the bat first bench guy in Haase is bad wherever you put him, and he is not a good hitter either.

The reason the Tigers are so bad have nothing to do to with the payroll. So you aren't even complaining about the correct problem. We are 5 years into a rebuild and we do not have a home grown prospect in the lineup that wasn't drafted #1 overall. No franchise, especially one not located in New York or Los Angeles, can compete without developing homegrown cost controlled talent.

I think Goff will be at a mediocre level for the next few years where they won't have to replace him, but they would like to if the correct opportunity presents itself. If Goff plays ok this year, next year they can concentrate on the back 7 on defense and depth. They should have quite a bit of cap space, more if they rework Goff's contract, and 2 first round picks. But if they can bring in a good QB Holmes has shown he will pounce.

They needed a 3 technique out of this draft almost as much as they needed a linebacker. Paschal hopefully can provide that. And they are moving to a 4-3 this year which will probably not be much of a difference than the 3-4 last year when they had Nick Williams, Brockers, and McNeil on the field on first down. I'm guessing even though they are calling it a 4-3 they will still have 3 300 pounders on the field in the base package. So Paschal could play an end position in that set up depending on how they do it.

Brisket or Dean for me. There are.still a ton of LB's, they could trade back too.

I think the Lions can get a decent LB and safety in free agency. Finding a game breaking WR is much more difficult. I think Williams is a fast as Hill, he we leaving SEC defensive backs in the dust. He would have been low 4.3's at least, maybe 4.2's if he ran. They should just take the BPA on defense, hopefully Brisker, Dean, or Pitre.

Burks ran a 4.55

Didn't sound like he was excited to be a Lion.

They needed playmakers and they have one on offense and defense now.

Yea Saints taking Willis here.

From the interviews of him i have watched he comes across as in intelligent guy who has plans for the future. He's a tournament level chess player and like chess he is always thinking ahead. He talks about his non football plans a lot and that is probably what brings up red flags for some. Here is a quote i cut from a story about him earlier this year: "The only reason people care about this story is because of football, and the only way I'll be able to open a school and do anything I want to do is through football," Thibodeaux said. "I'll never lose sight that football is what got me here and that football is the platform."

At #2 I am ok with Aiden, Thibs or Walker. None of them will probably get the to JJ Watt level but should be very good. Do not want anyone else. At #32 if a surprise guy drops like Wyatt, Lloyd or Dean that would be my top outcome. Otherwise a trade back a few spots would be nice or one of the safeties with Hill or Cine being my favorites. Do not want a QB or another slot receiver. At #34 same as 32 basically. Need to get a safety with one of these picks. Do not want a TE. At #66 they need to focus on the spots they haven't; hit yet. Should be a few linebackers available if they didn't get one earlier. Do not want O-line yet. After that it should be BPA and i hope they get a decent TE prospect at some point. Hock is in his last year and had had numerous injury issues each year.

Mine is Randy Nosek 1989, whom I vaguely remember. Randy pitched in 12 innings over two season and finished with an ERA of 10.22. He did win a game somehow.