Stanley70

They hit 104 less homeruns than predicted. I blame the new ball 50% and Coolbaugh 50%.

If Harris is looking for the Tigers to "control the strike zone", i wonder how that will affect the decisions on some of these young guys that will be in the mix for 25 man spots next year. Since Baez and Schoop are under contract next year they will be back. But when it comes down to guys like Reyes, Carpenter, Badoo, HCastro, Haase and a few others, they are all pretty bad. At least according to BB/SO ratio's. I am sure that if they are able to get a more promising corner outfield bat they will do so. And that shouldn't be too hard.

Rather than "finding a right handed hitting outfielder" this off season will be devoted to finding undervalued talent. If they wind up with 3 decent corner left handed hitting corner outfielders outfielders, fine, they will trade one. When they have a team that looks like they can win in the playoffs that mindset might change a bit, but for now they need talent obviously. That will start with having a front office that knows how to find those players. So Chadd and Plies should be placed on a catapult and ejected from Comerica.

McCovey retired in the 70's i think. If he started in 1959 that means his career was 42 years :)

If they have have an offer of 3 firsts for Young or Stroud I believe I would pass. Rookie QB's are no sure thing, and then they would probably have to carry Goff and his albatross of a contract for another year as well making it harder to improve the defense with less money to spend. For Jackson I would do it, but as suggested it will take more than that. Probably a lot more along with a huge cap hit, also making it difficult to improve the defense with few high picks and not a lot of money to spend. It will be interesting watching this play out, I'm sure how Goff does this year will impact Holmes' sense of urgency.

IMO signing Wilmer Flores would be a Al Avila move, not a Harris move. Flores is a 31 year old 1B/3B with a 731 OPS. He below average glove at third and is slow. If you have a winning team and need to plug a hole on the cheap, OK. But the guy is unlikely to breakout and become a first division regular, which is what the Tigers desperately need.

They have to figure out what they have in Mize, Turnball, Manning, Skubal, and Breiske. Not sure why they bring in a SP by free agency or trade when they have those guys plus Erod and a few decent prospects getting closer to being ready. When it comes to every day players they may or may not have needs a damn near every position. Whatever offensive virus infected the team last year must be eradicated and they need to determine what they have in guys like Badoo, Tork, etc. There are a few prospects that are not the can't miss type that they should see what they have in as well. It sucks but money can't fix this team overnight. And given the uncertainty of so many players it is debatable of where to even spend it.

The Tigers are going to finish the year losing 100 games, that doesn't sound like a jumping off point to bring in a bunch of free agents. I believe they will not spend much money this year, at least on multi year deals, and evaluate the numerous starting pitchers they have in various stages of recovery. They are where they are and the prudent play is to treat 2023 like another year of rebuilding, which again what a team coming off 100 losses should do. If they get some luck on the health of their young starters and a couple of the decent prospects they have pan out they will have something to build around.

I believe the Cubs were rumored to have interest in Fulmer at the time Quintana was traded. Not sure if they would preferred Fulmer over Quintana, or AA decided not trade him. I do remember lots of discussion on this board about whether or not Fulmer should be traded with most arguing for hanging on to him.

Levi is moving closer and closer to bust territory. Which sucks because Barmore , a DT, went a couple of picks before him and looks great. Plus the guys they passed on like JOK and Moehrig. https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/12/levi-onwuzurike-back-injury-update-ir-dan-campbell-lions-update/

Harris had decent coverage on that play. Sometimes you get beat by a perfect throw.

Th dline rotation featured 3 guys they recently signed off from waivers in Cominsky, Jones, and Buggs. They were getting gashed late in that game. I don't think they are fixing that this year unless Paschel is really good, should he get healthy. I'm not counting on anything from Levi. Also the pass rush was getting pressure but they were leaving huge lanes for Hurts to escape. That should be correctable.

In news that will surprise no one New England scored 7 points and lost. I'll give it 1 more game before Bellichek makes a change.

Seemed like they did a better job defending Hurts scrambling in the second half.

While with the Tigers Casey hit a ball off the wall and the fielder chasing it had it bounce back past him. By the time he gathered up the ball Casey was headed for third and beat the throw for a triple. After the game someone asked Leyland if he had ever seen Sean run that fast . Leyland said " I've never seen Casey run that far! "

The line did well, the Steelers have a good d-line. The led the NFL in sacks last year. Here they are mashing their run blocks only for Hockenson to screw it up.

If they keep Kennedy, along with Raymond and St. Brown, that will give them 3 small slotty types. I think it will be Cephus and Benson that they keep. Plus whoever the last one is to make it will be cut when Williams is activated.

if the Tigers bring in some young-ish forward thinking GM, that person will take one look at our roster and system and conclude that they cannot reasonably compete next year. And that they need some impact hitting prospects in the minors. Guys like Perez, Meadows, DIngler, etc. are nice but they have lower ceilings. They will have to trade some pitching to bring in position players that can hit and play defense. I don't see any way around rebuilding some more and avoiding free agency for a year or two while we see if our young pitching can stay healthy and if we have any young position guys who can hit.

The Athletic basically said the same things as POD, the offense started slow and finished up making some plays. They said the secondary was not good though.

That is either good news on Keith, or bad news on Jobe.

The starters played 8 snaps, both starting LB'ers didn't play at all, and it was the first game in the new defense. They are going to be bad, but they will be better than what we saw Friday night. I think they need to add a big body at DT to replace Penisini. A few individuals on this defense they are counting on worry me though. Barnes still looks like Jarrod Davis 2.0. Missing tackles, overrunning plays and failing to recognize what is going on until it is too late. Brockers is not helping at all. I do not believe i have seen him make a play since he got here. Levi is having back problems, again. That is a bad sign since that is what was supposedly what held him back last year.

If the Tigers are going to roll out a 70 or less win team next year, which it looks like they will, having Miggy on the team is less of an issue. I wouldn't keep him, but I can see the team wanting to sell tickets and if he is blocking at bats from Haase or Harold Castro what does it matter.

For the first few years he was playing the long term game. In that time he traded Verlander, JD, Kinsler, Upton, Wilson, Greene, Castellanos, and Avila the Jr. Those trades didn't net one first division player. And aside from his top five picks and Skubal, his drafts and international signings didn't add anything either. He ran out of time and couldn't keep rebuilding so he tried to win with what he had. It's why he should have been fired several years ago.

Trading Verlander and JD was the correct move. The team needed more young talent and those guys were probably not going to want to resign here anyways. Not netting a single major league player in those deals is the problem. Milwaukee just traded Hader before he hit free agency and got a decent package of players back. The next GM we get in here will have to have a vision for how he intends to manage the payroll and keep us competitive, avoiding long term droughts like we are in now. Unless Ilitch is going to green light a top 5 payroll again you can't sit passively by like Al was doing. Getting nothing for Fulmer when he could have brought in a couple of top prospects was probably his worst mistake IMO. Player development of course is at the top of the list for managing payroll.

He was bad for 10 years and then got promoted.