1984Echoes

The first bolded part is not correct. You guys are confused. The second bolded part is what these guys keep saying, over and over and over... It's not the highest talent, or RAS, or "graded" player. It's not "oh we like this guard because he's a Lion even though this CB is also a Lion..." They rank positional value/ talent/ Lions' characteristics equally... BUT: missing Lions culture fit and they're off the board. Culture fit is a "MUST HAVE". But once you get past that culture fit... then they DO rank positional value and talent. There is also some maneuvering based on where a player is most likely to get drafted, or also known as "round grade". They had ranked Gibbs and Campbell as 1st round talents (on the Lions board; they'll have positions ranked based on their schemes, not on the rest of the NFL...). But above them both was Devon Witherspoon. They just lost their chance at Witherspoon to a team drafting ahead of them so they traded down, instead. I remember them saying specifically after the draft last year that they only had a "few" players "with a 1st round grade". So most players probably failed the culture fit test, no matter the talent. And I don't know/(remember) if they had a 1st round grade on LaPorta, but they were definitely "hot" to go after him. They traded up to get Branch. They probably also had only a few players with a 2nd round grade (fit for the Lions) and wanted him enough to trade up for him. But they traded BACK from the 2nd round, believing that Hooker would fall to the 3rd and they could get him there (buddha was correct on that), meaning they felt Hooker had a "3rd round grade" or would likely fall to there.

Like a kicker?

The only flipside to this is: Trump is such an existential threat to our Democracy that you wouldn't actually be voting for Biden if you "pulled the lever" for him. You would be voting for The Constitution of the United States and The American Way of Life. You would be voting for country, over party. Just my 2 cents.

Only as a splinter group. Like this: Except: The only one ****ting his pants if Haley ran as an Independent would be Trump. Biden would not be affected. Except that he'd now win in a blowout, both vote-wise and EC-wise.

In dribs and drabs it is... But not enough yet to drive the point home...

Radio/ Billboards/ Fox News (yes, blare it out loud): "REPUBLICANS! If you want to DEFEAT MAGA, VOTE DEMS ONLY!!!"

There's always another choice... I have a good one for all the people you know: Siberia.

PS: Rumor mill is that Steve is willing to trade a defenseman but... only if it results in an upgraded defenseman in return... Not certain how that would work out for us...

Yeah, they might again be proving that they are not yet ready to play against the big boys... But I'd like to see them get in the playoffs, even so...

I hope that means Sasser is back and ready to play...

Is anyone watching Shogun? It's ****ing brilliant and has one of my favorite actors of all time: Hiroyuki Sanada.

This might have been some of what I was thinking/ hearing...: https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2023/6/3/23747714/2023-detroit-lions-draft-recap-podcast-brodric-martin-profile-scouting-report-explosiveness-wku

I'm pretty certain the team has said Martin is athletic or has "sneaky athleticism" or along similar lines... so I have no idea what they mean by that... especially looking at that RAS... Or maybe it was something about "very impressive strength"...?

He doesn't tackle well. Holmes & DC will hate him. He won't be on their board AT ALL. Neither will "Kool-Aid". Just as an FYI. They like CB's who aren't afraid to tackle. DC and Glenn and Holmes have all said hard-nosed tackling is way high for them for a CB... That means the top of their CB list = Terrion Arnold ("aggressive tackler, works through blockers and gets after it as a tackler"), Quin Mitchell ("tackles like a safety, ball skills of a CB; hounds routes; physicality at catch point; tackles in run support and wraps up"), Ennis Rakestraw ("hard-nosed in press coverage/ good physicality/ rough ride for receivers when he jams; salty in run support with willingness to wrap, lift, and drop ball-carriers; drives hard/ well-timed punches"), Cooper DeJean ("charges hard and slams into pass-catchers; limited length = he slips off of some runners/ tackles; nice physicality"), TJ Tampa (more of a 2nd/3rd round type CB): ("physical as a striker, in coverage, and in run support, forceful route redirection when pressing"). Not Wiggins ("needs to become a tougher player in run support or when contesting catches against NFL size; allows too much cushion; disappointing awareness & effort in run support"), or McKinstry ("struggles against physical route-runners; content to stay in the background as a run defender; bad habit of sleeping on the play when he is not directly targeted").

Martin was in deep-dive training this past season. The team has HUGE belief in him (from their limited comments I've seen...) Raw as hell so they were in intense fundamentals/ technique training the whole year. The team believes his size/ power/ athleticism is off the charts... but with badly raw technique from his lower division school... I'll guess we'll find out this coming year (is my guess) what the team actually sees in him... And whether all that fundamentals training will have some kind of affect...

I think I spotted a Maxx Crosby in this year's draft... we'll see if he can find his way to the Lions...

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I'd want him on a Larkin-Raymond line. For keeps. But yeah... beyond doubtful this would happen...

Says YOU. It ABSOLUTELY is relevant.

For 25 years the Palestinians were perfectly fine with letting in Jews and selling land to Jews (roughly 1897-1921 or so...) And... THEN... They realized, just like the Mexicans (in Texas) around 1840 or so that... "WHOOPS!!!", maybe they were making a mistake...

They must really like Cossa and Edvinsson and Danielson and ASP and some of our other secondary prospects... Heck.. there's still Kasper and Augustine and Wallinder (if they like him) and Mazur... And...

Oh PLEASE let's not turn this thread topic into another referendum on religious belief. I thought we had an ACTUAL thread for that if you want to start up that argument again? Otherwise, it's just unnecessary and NOT-appreciated POLLUTION in this thread.

Less than 3 minutes in... Amiright?

I have NOT used that as a justification as you've stated. That is a flat out lie. I have ONLY used their genetics as a reason to state that they should be ALLOWED to live in Israel. In fact, I gave you links that state SPECIFICALLY that returning Jews PURCHASED Palestinian land. LEGALLY. But don't let facts get in the way of your agenda.

Let me correct some history here: There was a major trading economy from England to Pakistan prior to the Sea Peoples. Bronze and Lapis Lazuli were the keys. Lapis Lazuli = purple stone from Pakistan and the mountains of Afghanistan, crushed to make purple ("Royal") die to color robes, rugs, etc. Bronze = well, it WAS the Bronze Age after all... Bronze made of Copper and Tin. Tin all the way from England. This is the time of Mycenaean Greece (think Troy/ Achilles/ etc... NOT classical Greece of Athens & Sparta...); the Minoans had already been defeated by the Greeks (archaelogical evidence is pointing to volcanic/ earthquake/ tsunami disruption that badly weakened them and allowed Greece to take over much of the Mediterranean... This PRE-DATES the Sea Peoples); the Hittite Empire in Turkey, the highpoint of Egyptian Pharoahs and military power and pyramid-building, the Babylonian Empire, etc... Here is info on the trading network and especially the sourcing of tin (the first one is the impact of "The Sea Peoples" on the trading network of the time (roughly 1,200 BCE): which was: a collapse of the trading network, the first "Dark Ages", the destruction of the Mycenaean and Hittite empires, a devastation of the Egyptians (they survived but were taken over shortly thereafter by the Sudanese (of that time period), the collapse of writing, etc...): https://www.thecollector.com/bronze-age-collapse/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_sources_and_trade_in_ancient_times#:~:text=It has been claimed that,Portugal around the same time.