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PS: The reason I made my earlier comment last night: I also am annoyed with all the Tork-bashing. That comment was more aligned with: "Can we stop bashing him now?" then with "I might finally believe he belongs". That probably didn't come through, but that's what I meant. The reason I do NOT feel the need to bash him, even if he hasn't met my expectations: Is that I have patience. I know he's going through his learning curve. And I might even sound impatient or frustrated at times... because I believe he can (and will) do better. But I still believe he'll hit my higher expectations, even if he has to go through these growing pains. Still pleased he was our draftee. And just patiently waiting to see just how high he can get to before I need to reset any expectations that I might have...

Wait... So which is it? As for myself, the scouting reports said he had an extremely high hit tool. And he proved that out in the minors. My expectations were multiple years hovering around .320 (even if his career was closer to .300-.310-ish), 30-40 homers with maybe a highpoint of 50+ somewhere, career 500-ish HR's, and high point years of .900-ish + OPS, even if career ended up closer to .850-ish. My expectations have not changed.

So.... Was this Torque's "coming out party"? Is he now a "bona fide" baseball player?

In prior years' a 35th round pick or so...

Ditto.

They've kidnapped Americans before, from the DMZ. Or hacked them to death. My first thought was that they kidnapped him. But then again... maybe not. He sounds squirrelly...

Throw the book at those Benedict Arnold Traitors to the Constitution of the United States. IMO.

If we trade for "MLB ready" prospects I would consider that as both a "buy" and a "sell"; which I want Harris to do. It might mean a 1-for-1 trade rather than trading 1 guy for 3 lottery tickets... I'm OK with that. But I still think the team has to sell at the deadline, no matter what. But... again, getting an "MLB ready" type prospect, to me, is as good as being a "buyer" at the deadline. It might mean packaging a couple players because they fit a contenders' needs... I have no problems adding a "throw-in player" or two because we have a lot of them. And I'm not saying it gets us a #1 prospect... just that it might move the needle from a top 8-10 prospect in an Org to a top 5 prospect... Or even if it doesn't do that, maybe a throw-in or two "clinches" a deal versus that deal veering off to another team. Our "key" tradeables IMO are Eduardo, Lorenzen, and Baez (even if he is basically untradeable...), but I'll get to them in a moment... Vierling and Olson and Foley I would like to hold onto... outside of that... I view as expendable "throw-ins", ANY 1 or 2 of: Cisnero, Lange, Shreve, White, Wentz, Faedo, Haase, Sands, Ibanez, Short, McKinstry, Maton or Baddoo. Most other guys in Toledo aside from Parker, Keith and Malloy, as well. Not saying any of them are prime targets or anything... just throw-ins if that's what a team wants... On Baez: most likely untradeable.. but if Harris could swing a crazy deal... kudos. But not holding my breath. On Lorenzen: I think he and Cisnero are at the highest level of tradeable and selling high. Please have no other consideration except MUST trade them! On Eduardo: I still think the team could look at him as a piece for the future. He could stabilize a still-near-rookie rotation next year. I still think they'll try to buy out his opt-out. Just my opinion. And I still think they SHOULD trade him if he doesn't agree to remove the opt-out (at whatever price)... but based on the above... I'm not 100% certain they will. Just my 2 cents...

That was the 4th guy I liked the most out of all the Tigers draftees this year. Clark, McGonigle, Paul Wilson and Diaz my favorites.

Well... It looks like he can play 3rd Base to me...

Or the Tigers try to buy out his option...

If we're going to accumulate some high-end goal scorers on the Wings... I like Nylander better than DeBrincat (size/ toughness/ playoffs). And I like Jason Robertson more than Nylander (size/ toughness/ playoffs). How do we get JR...? We're going to stick 'em up with our hockey sticks: "Dallas, this is Detroit. This is a stick up! We want Jason Robertson. Hand him over!!! And we'll even send you a couple future 1sts so you don't feel so bad... Sorry...but C'ya later! C'mon JR... this way north to Hockeytown!"

More Putinesque Propaganda Lying Bull****. Zelensky is 5' 7" or 67" tall, or the same height that I am... That picture is a flat out ****ing lie. Oh, BTW... Putin is 5' 6" or 66" tall.

I'll take Riley Greene any day of the week and 3 times on Sunday...

If he can't catch stick him at 1B. (Cerkownyk... pronounced: Chur-cove-nik).

Professor McGonigle taught Harry Potter everything he knows.

5. Langford is limited defensively. Clark looks like he could turn into an outstanding Centerfielder. Between that, and his much higher Hit tool, those were two things that the media and fanbase were not considering. If everything went aces for these two players, I would guess Langford ends up with more career HR's but Clark ends up with a much higher career WAR based on his superior defense, speed (SB's and SB%), OBP (both BA and walks...), and while less HR's than Langford... more doubles and triples (gap power). Something to think about... But I'm just guessing...

That was my point. There was some worry about the salary cap and having both Max Clark and Riley Greene. How can that be any kind of worry when their timelines are so far apart? I don't see an issue. Which was my point... same thing you're saying...

Same message as to jz68: Check out Jason Foley and Beau Brieske's college stats. There are definitely other things to consider. Just like Tarik Skubal after his TJ in college...

Riley Greene, Torkelson, Mize, Manning & Skubal. There are some secondary players here (Carpenter/ Baddoo/ Brieske/ Rogers/ Turnbull/ Foley/ Lange/ Faedo...); but is this a focus on anyone who can contribute or who we might expect to be the top dogs of a new competitive team? I guess I'll list both for completeness sake. Also, a few guys might fall off based on ineffectiveness or injuries or etc. This is not a guarantee of anything, simply... a timeline. I guess the "bottom" line is that I believe our salary cap can maneuver around all of these top, or otherwise, players... Which was the original concern from someone else's other post. 2nd wave (guys on the verge of MLB): Malloy, Meadows, Keith, and possibly some secondary guys like Dingler/ Olson/ Madden/ Flores/ Hurter/ Gipson-Long and maybe even Bigbie or Trei Cruz or Wenceel... again, a lot of these guys will become utility players or relievers or AAAA guys... just listing some secondary players for completeness. Even who we think might turn into some top talents on this list could easily fall off. Or one or two could pop and surprise us. But if this is an exercise in salary cap management, I see no problems here. And to my earlier point, there's a few years between handing out large extensions to Riley Greene/ Skubal/ anyone else in the 1st wave? versus considering the same for anyone in the 2nd wave. And the 3rd wave? Guys who are several years away from MLB at this point, at best? Again, I don't see any pending issues in salary cap management. Jobe is not close. Nor is Campos, Max Clark, or Christian Santana. Nor is McGonigle or Paul Wilson. Jung/ Seretti/ Gold are not close and are probably secondary type players at best. I don't believe Tyler Mattison belongs with the top guys as a reliever only guy but he could become a secondary type player. My overriding point was that I foresee no salary cap issues for the Tigers in the near future, especially with a couple different waves of players each separated from each other by a few years apart of breaking into MLB. Which was a response I believe to someone else's post about potential problems with both Max Clark and Riley Greene on the team. Timing-wise... I don't see it.

The other way around: he loves Putin because Trump told MAGA to love him. He's just blindly, like a lemming, following Trump's directives. IMO.

Other points everyone has forgotten about: I don't know how many total minor leaguers we have in our system... but it's gotta be around 240-ish or so... Always on the lookout for tools that could possibly be developed... but I can assure you we don't have 240 future All-Stars in our minor league system. A lot of guys end up as organizational players. Most do, in fact, since the failure rate is 95% or so... But still looking for tools (not college stats), and a dark-horse can still pop up and surprise (Carpenter/ Foley/ Brieske/ etc.) so you still give these kids a chance. That's what scouting is all about: trying to look past stats or circumstances (like Skubal) and giving chances to kids who you think might have... a chance. But we're not drafting polished diamonds in each and every of 20 rounds. In fact, these kids can look pretty rough at times... but still develop into something... So then it's all about your developmental team... and whether one or two of these long-shot kids catch on...

It's like there's a one-man cheerleader squad in here for Vladimir Putin and his fascist, violent, corrupt, gangster, Anti-American, genocidal regime.

They promised to fast-track some EU processes. Not an iron-clad promise for entry... But enough give for in to Turkey's desires (universal visa entry, etc...) that Erdogan was comfortable with the promises. Whatever it takes...