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If I had to recall one, and only one Indian man's name, it would be Geronimo. Of course, that's not his real name either.

Stunning Eyes!

Gross.

As well as the speed, war IQ, armament, and distance advantages the West has given to Ukraine.

That is... TODAY. That is NOT... Tomorrow. And it's WAAAAY too early to be making final judgement calls on "Avila's kids". And you know that, don't you?

This is not correct. Try again. But let me be more specific: I was NOT the only one who said Riley Greene would be a major leaguer... I was NOT the only one who said Torkelson would be a major leaguer... I was NOT the only one who said Skubal would be a major leaguer... I was NOT the only one who said Mize would be a major leaguer... I was NOT the only one who said Manning would be a major leaguer... I was NOT the only one who said Colt Keith could be a major leaguer... I was NOT the only one who said Roberto Campos could be a major leaguer... I was NOT the only one who said Dingler could be a major leaguer... I was NOT the only one who said Madden could be a major leaguer... I was NOT the only one who said Parker Meadows could be a major leaguer... I was NOT the only one who said Brieske could be a major leaguer... etc., etc., etc... SCOUTS have said the same thing. If you are saying that I am the ONLY one claiming these guys will be major leaguers and the ONLY reason I think these guys will be major leaguers is because I'm a Tigers fan than I am calling straight-up BULL****. Because it is. It is NOT blind faith. Which does NOT mean that every single one of these guys (and a longer list) will make it. Obviously there will be failures.

Agree 100% There is no possible way for FA's to cover all the sins of a complete failure in prospect development. So however highly optimistic I may be... I am guessing no one else in here wants a 100% failure rate of all of Avila's "prospects". The more that can "figure it out" and become a component of a future competitive team... the better. So... Do you guys wanna do shots for each... Success? Or Failure of a Tigers prospect? (Might depend on one's view towards getting stupid drunk...)

I think I am perfectly aligned with this.

I'm not interested in ancient history. I'm interested in this year, and next year, and... etc. "Way too long" doesn't mean a thing to me. You know, like a Cornerback. Short-term memory. Whatever has happened... has already happened. Forget it and move on. For peace of mind, I would recommend becoming more like a... Cornerback. And this year and next year tells me that all the injuries and broken prospects still need to be healed in order to create at least some kind of a base for the team to be competitive.

No, it's NOT blind faith. If you claim it's blind faith, then what you are saying is that you have ZERO belief in any of our prospects' talent, and that includes MLB kids who haven't taken off yet such as Greene, Tork, Mize, Manning, Skubal, etc... (you have ZERO belief in their talent?), and that you have ZERO belief in Hinch and Fetters, and ZERO belief in the changes that Harris has made to our minors' developmental team, and ZERO belief that Harris can properly identify talent. Leaving nothing except blind faith. YOU may be 1000% blind faith, I am not.

It's not blind faith... I actually DO believe in many of these prospects. And they ARE... VERY talented. But with injuries and actual performances against MLB pitching... progress is not linear. I still think the talent level of "Avila's kids" is at a very high level, much higher than we've had in a very long time. Since the 70's. I don't think we've had this level of overall farm system talent since... yes, the 70's. (Counting the already graduated Greene, Tork, Mize, Manning, Skubal, etc...). It's just that... realization of that talent is... obviously... tricky.

As an aside: Jake Rogers has a .182 BABIP this year... Can he NOT get more luck than that?

Correct, no choice. And just because they haven't made it yet doesn't mean they won't. They are still all kids. And yes, I still do believe in them. It's just going to take some more of that very dirty word: patience. And this just totally sucks right now so... I get it. One last thing (IIRC): I think I had Faedo in the Bullpen. A rotation of Mize-Eduardo-Manning-Skubal and Turnbull as 5th starter? Or maybe Wentz? I can't remember... but I definitely had Faedo in the BP. Again... this team goes nowhere without some of these kids making it. So I still believe in them.... but, you know... Here's hoping...

Do you mean like the 2021 offseason when they signed Eduardo and Baez? So the answer to your question is... yes. The Tigers have already done that. And just like the Rangers last year... everything fell apart and stunk. And expectations were not met. By either team. The difference obviously is that the Tigers kids haven't taken off yet (Greene was starting to but... of course an injury...) and injuries completely decimated their chances both last year and this year... So I still say they need to heal all their kids and find out if they have a base of talent to actually start to contend. We're a year behind the Rangers because of injuries. But what does Skubal become when he gets back from his injury? Manning? Mize? Eduardo? Greene? Austin is done for so it's time to move on, but... Faedo? Even if Faedo gets dropped into the BP does he become something good there? Rogers is back from injury... can he improve his contact rate? Can Tork get to a .300+ BABIP instead of the .255 he had last year and the .277 he has this year? Can he find more power? Can Carpenter continue? When Miggy retires this year does that open up a spot for Malloy? Can Malloy/ Keith/ Dingler cut it against MLB pitching? What about Turnbull? Wenceel Perez? Baddoo's upside (what is it?). What about Parker Meadows? Olson? Madden? Even Jung who's a bit further away? All of these guys we are going to find answers on over the next year+ or so... So it sucks having to hold onto patience during this absolute ****-show. But this team goes nowhere unless there is a successful corps of kids that make it. And FA's won't paper over a 100% failure rate on the kids. So we better hope for a 50/50 success/failure rate on all of these kids or we'll suck for a lot longer than 2022 & 2023...

There's a name for that: It's called "Work in Progress". That doesn't change the mission statement at all. But it does also involve a very nasty, dirty, despicable word: "Patience".

GPS/ geolocation of the call. Cellphones can be tracked.

The most apt statement I made this past offseason was that the Tigers mission statement for the 2023 season was to fix all their broken players. That statement is still 100% correct and hasn't changed one iota.

And he would STILL say: "Screw you Tigers, I'd rather play with the Yankees."

Hmmm... very simple to me... Execute the MF'er for treason.

This tells me that outside of Lamar's spectacular ONE season, his best QBR's were: 67, 59, 50... And Goff's were 63, 61, 55, 50, 50... Randy's point remains valid.

Better yet... can we just send Canada all our Trumps? To rake leaves of course...

None of the above. It's called the receivers getting... separation.

Damn, I haven't heard that in a long while... One of my favorites and I love Astrud's voice... RIP.

Prigozhin captures Russian Lieutenant Colonel... Although Wagner had been attacked by this LC so... More like they are firing at each other (pot-shots, not a full scale war): https://www.yahoo.com/news/prigozhin-alleges-wagner-mercenaries-captured-082400319.html

And the closer he is to just dying off before he has to face any such thing as justice... It's a no-win situation; but I am still holding out for justice even as it slowly dwindles out like a spent campfire....