1984Echoes

There's been several comments I've seen from insiders (even players and coaches IIRC...) who are stating that Campbell is a whole helluva lot smarter than people think... I think there was an Atlantic article on all the adjustments Ben Johnson AND Campbell made when they took over the offense... and a LOT of it was Campbell. And there were those types of comments in that article coming from multiple sources... As a general statement on Campbell... I think we are seeing that play out right in front of our eyes...

Orlovsky has long been a cheerleader for the Lions... Keep up the good work dude... We hear ya'!!!

I don't even have the energy to whinge/ wince/ complain/ or strangle myself over Casey any more. When can we broom him upstairs? Who can we get that is the next upcoming dynamo in team Head Coaching AND X's and O's...?

Oh he was already fulfilling campaign promises to Putin DURING his presidency...

That's the dangerous question in all of this; and one that no one would be surprised if Trump has actually sold our National Security documents, probably to Russia or the Saudis... for money.

Right... I know that... I was just attaching them, and might as well throw Joe Flacco in there as well because they each "won one Super Bowl". That's not enough is my point. And looking at the stats also isn't enough. Stafford has monster stats. That is no longer enough because a boatload of QB's have monster stats too, so... Flacco, Rivers, Stafford, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan... all big numbers, but don't think that's enough to get them in. Brady, Rodgers, and Peyton were the elite QB's and, yes, the starts show that they are superior... But where does that leave the above secondary guys. And here's a couple above the 5 guys above but... do they get into the HOF? A) Roethlisberger? B) Drew Brees Brees I think is a definite yes but Big Ben has better numbers than the listed 5 and he's a lot more uncertain...

Right... And what that does to Stafford is... Just makes him "another guy" in terms of stats because in this generation of QB's there's a shitload of QB's with similar stats. And therefore... ignore the stats, it has to be "other things" that will make someone want to vote a guy into the HOF. Will Rodgers get in? He won only one Super Bowl. But... the perception of him versus Stafford is that Rodgers constantly drove his team to victory and Stafford didn't. It doesn't even matter what the stats say. And therefore, similar QB's to Stafford might be Eli, Rivers & Ryan, not Peyton, Brady & Rodgers. And Stafford, Eli Manning, Ryan & Rivers will have a hard time getting in.

This is what I was referring to. Is that not claiming victim status?

Right... but after that, IIRC without actually looking, you made several posts in which you stated that YOU can't say anything because the left/ media will bash you because of "track record", or political party. I'll go look and copy in posts/ quotes... But IIRC, it had the distinct appearance that, because I made the comment about Trump having a dismal track record, you were taking it upon yourself to state that YOU could no longer post anything without suffering partisan prejudiced heat because of my "track record" comment. Which is just not accurate. You can post anything you want... and you or I may catch a lot of heat for holding a position when everyone else is disagreeable... but I would never want you to feel that you're not allowed to post or hold onto your position because "track record" or political persuasion will catch you grief for no reason other than that.

Oh dude... c'mon... You're just bustin' my balls now...!

Hah!!! We'll see on that...!!! Right now I'm pumping Olson, Flores & Madden...

Yes, because he was a Rule V guy so anything he contributes in MLB (I mean, at a positive WAR that is...) is a plus. Regardless of whether he ends up as a mid or back-end rotation guy or even lower on the spectrum (IE: long reliever/ spot starter...).

OK great... But "end of the year" is a very small sample size and no guarantee of linear development. And "uptick" doesn't state "put-away slider" or "dominant FB". If he doesn't have a put-away pitch at the MLB level... he'll struggle to get out of innings and allow base-runners even when he limits walks. He'll be limited to the back end of the rotation. I'll believe mid-rotation when I see it... Otherwise... you're reading too much into "uptick"... I mean, maybe it's there. But again, I'll believe it when I see it.

His profile doesn't scream to me mid rotation guy but, rather, 5th starter... just as Fangraphs has him pegged. Which is still useful and valuable on any team. But I don't see mid-rotation there, unless... injuries. But also... I would say that I hope this isn't the ONLY starting profile that Harris goes after (command of multiple pitches and the strike zone but nothing dominant or overpowering...); I hope this is just a "he was available and will fill a back end rotation need..." kind of guy. I still hope he goes after top of the rotation guys in trades & the draft... etc. I don't think Harris will be limiting himself in that way... I just wanted to voice a concern...

So this looks like to me the kind of under-the-radar calculated risks that Harris was talking about where... maybe he finds solutions to Tigers' needs by looking under rocks and pulling out Malloy's (if he makes it) and such...

Malloy: Will be 23 next year... RH'ed batting LF'er & 3B'man with an insane minor league OBP of .404 in 738 total PA's along with 22 HR's. Got all the way up to AAA last year for a cup. Higginbotham is a 27 y.o. (in Jan) Lefty Reliever with.. not much that looks inspiring. Whatever. Malloy looks interesting and could - potentially - be a really nice return for Jimenez.

Yeah... I'm pretty certain it would be very easy to see that the stats of a QB once considered the Greatest of ALL-TIME would look very, very pedestrian today... Johnny Unitas's career: 54.6% completion, 40K yards, 290 TD's and 253 INT's... There were... other factors considered in his HOF greatness...

I would like the 1992 model please...

This was NOT a personal attack Sue. I specifically referenced Trump. ewsieg commandeered that reference for himself. I'm asking him about that. Do you not see that?

It seems like there's a LOT of relievers lacking control, LH'ed hitting OF'ers and RH'ed hitting IF'ers...

I would be perfectly fine with that... take whatever you can get out of the Rule V and we're starting in the 6th spot so... whatever. He does need to cut down those walks however. Typical old school (meaning... "good Dave Dombrowski pick there") Tigers lottery ticket however...

It is interesting to me that, where I specifically referenced Trump here, when I said that... HE has a TRACK RECORD... That now, you ewsieg, are referring to YOURSELF as having, what, the exact same track record as Trump? Are you now saying that you are EXACTLY the same as Trump now? Because you are taking my comment referencing Trump's Assholery Track Record as the reason he will be excoriated for almost ANYTHING that he does (because he IS that contemptible) and are now applying it to yourself. Or are you just claiming VICTIM STATUS now...?

I'm not certain this guy qualifies as "controlling the strike zone". The player/ pitching position don't bother me (very high K-guy, Lefty, looks electric at first glance but, also... that career 4.9 BB's/ 9 and 5.7 in AA (best level last year) in 2022?) It's the Rule IIII draft, and we're picking VI-th, not 1st base so... I'll take whatever we can get

I heard a rumor that the Orioles were open to trading their top prospect Gunnar Henderson (3B - LH'ed) for pitching and were talking specifically and exclusively with the Tigers.

Which is where the comedy is coming in... LOL is right...