1984Echoes

This was a huge tree farm... Might've even been 40 acres (LOL... JK...) !!! Don't know if they kept it up all these years since we were last there...

If there's some crazy talented position player that slips through great... Not counting on it though... Plus we pick about 6th or so I believe... Maybe a LH'ed reliever...

I don't remember which road we had the 20... I was in the Army in the 80's and then college in Boca Raton so it's at least 40 years and my memory is fading quite badly... Dad sold it sometime in the 80's too. It might have been Shelby Road... we were right next to a farm and in back of the 20 was a Christmas Tree farm, basically... That's as much as i remember... That and Uncle Ken sneaking into the tree farm so we had free trees every Christmas for awhile...

I consider this response to be insulting.

I was annoyed by that too... I wanted to give Bol Bol a shot...

Who said anything about WWIII? Article 5 has nothing to do with WWIII. Try again.

DO it.

We did the cottage thing in Canada when I was small... until my mom's sister moved down to Margate, FLA in 1971. Canada with cousins on my mom's side. Fishing in the Detroit River for walleye or Lake St. Clair for perch... with my mom's brother and my cousin David. Only one brother and sister so not a direct large family... However... My dad has 8 brothers and sisters. I have cousins coming out of my ears from that side... Those 20 acres between Hart and Shelby...? A summer camping trip there for two weeks? Populated by at least 40 aunts, uncles, cousins, mom & dad & sis & brother & grandpa & grandpa and we're all playing volleyball, baseball, local canoeing, bonfire with 10 campers or tents surrounding it, or a trip to Lake Michigan or to Sleeping Bear Sand Dunes and with that many cousins coming out of my ears... Pandemonium. Every single year.

Didn't help him at all. She's winning.

We did have 20 (my dad) camping/ hunting acres near Hart (south of Ludington) for all of 70's and 80's though... swam a lot in Lake Michigan and went to Sleeping Bear Sand Dunes several times...

It's been almost 50 years since I was up around Petoskey.

A-Hah! Now I know where I'm going to retire to...

McCarthy would be a hard NO. If it's Dems backing a Republican Speaker, it would have to be a serious centrist; certainly not Kevin McCarthy...

Don't waste your Penix on a Hooker. Nope... I'm out.

Long-term, that's the way I see it. Short-term, I'm hoping Trump is forced, and jumps, at going 3rd party anyways. I think that would create a certain level of destruction within the Republican party, which I want. And from the ashes... we'll see what kind of Phoenix will arise. Ideally, in my mind... a new Republican Party has to be more socially liberal than today's version. But I might just be wish-casting...

OR... When I see the nails in Trump's coffin. (referencing my post from above...).

I believe this is all true... I just want to hear the fat lady sing...

This is where I'd like to see Establishment Republicans (I have no idea how many remain in the house versus MAGA) appeal to Democrats with just such a candidate and a cross-aisle consensus gets an impartial Speaker with ~350 votes. Even Progressives would be on board with a consensus Republican impartial nominee versus a hyper-partisan MAGA nominee... I would like to believe. Although... that may require some negotiation that is just unworkable... Which Republican will agree with the Democrat side of the aisle in nominating a Speaker under the agreement that NO Impeachment or Hunter Biden inquiries will commence? And for that matter... even if that promise were given... how on earth could any Republican be trusted to keep their word/ that they are not lying?

+1

And the Vikings, and the Packers... But I know where you're coming from... (Sorry for he double entendre... 😉)

Gonna take a stab here... But I wanna do a 84Lives!!! Rushmore!!! So... The way I see it... it's not an exact replica of Mount Rushmore... instead, it's a hallway... On the left is the Old School side with largest/ greatest at the front, and going slightly smaller each carved-in-rock bust as we go towards the back. The second guy is going to be as much second due to a specific contribution to the game as his stats. For stats, I looked at OPS+ (ERA+ for pitchers), career WAR and Tigers WAR. I gave a "benefit of the doubt" credit to Hank Greenberg for losing basically 4 years to WWII (roughly 18 WAR'S worth due to, ironically, war). And I put two honorable mentions at the end of the hall for reasons I shall shortly explain. On the right side is a mirror image (different players of course) of Modern Day Tigers Rushmore players, with two honorable mentions at the back again. So my Tigers Mount Rushmore is in a wide canyon, with rock cliff-faces on both sides, carved with 4 Tigers Greats on each side... and souvenir stalls at the end of each side hawking honorable mentions, plastic models of Tigers Rushmore, guide books and history books and other such keepsakes. Greatest Tigers player, largest bust and at the front, Old School, is Ty Cobb of course. Easy decision. 168 lifetime OPS+, 145 lifetime Tigers WAR. Behind him is Hank Greenberg, lifetime OPS+ of 159, and, again, he had a Tigers WAR of 52.8 which puts him behind multiple Tigers greats, but lost roughly 18 WAR during his prime years due to WWII. He could have been 3rd on this side of the aisle (but with a 159 OPS+ versus Gehringer's 125 OPS+...). But not only that... he was a major hero in the Jewish world. He was their Joe Louis. I am putting Greenberg here as much for his cultural impact as for his (HUGE!) lifetime OPS+, and those missed prime years... Gehringer comes in behind Greenberg with an OPS+ of 125 and a lifetime Tigers WAR of 84.8 (3rd on the Tigers all-time list). And Harry Heilmann is my 4th carving on this side of the wall with a 148 OPS+ (3rd all-time for the Tigers) and 68.1 lifetime Tigers WAR. My honorable mentions Old School are Sam Crawford, who ended up JUST behind Heilmann with an OPS+ of 144 and a 63.7 lifetime Tigers WAR. And just to prove I am not biased against Tigers pitchers... an honorable mention to Hal Newhouser, with an ERA+ of 130 and a 58.7 lifetime Tigers WAR. Greatest Tigers player, largest bust and at the front, Modern Day Players, is Al Kaline of course. Easy decision. Mr. Tiger. 134 lifetime OPS+, 92.9 lifetime Tigers WAR (2nd all-time). Behind him is Miggy Cabrera, lifetime OPS+ of 142, and a Tigers WAR of 48.7. He has a pretty low Tigers WAR comparative to all the others, even the honorable mentions, but, like Greenberg, I am putting him second here as much for his cultural impact as for his numbers. He is the face, at least for the Tigers, of the new wave of dominant Latino players. And if he hadn't succumbed to weight/ knee/ health issues... he could have been even better. Now... I could put Tram & Whitaker ahead of him... but I'm going on the graciousness of those two pushing Cabrera in front of them. Even if, by the numbers (Tigers WAR... NOT by OPS+), those two may be ahead of him. But for graciousness. And a damn high OPS+ !!! On that same basis, Tram, as a gentleman, is going to demand that Whitaker go ahead of him. Whitaker/ Trammell: Whitaker OPS+ 117, lifetime Tigers WAR 75.1, Trammell OPS+ 110, lifetime Tigers WAR 70.7. My honorable mentions Modern Day Players are Norm Cash, giving Cabrera a run based on the following numbers: OPS+ of 139 and a 51.7 lifetime Tigers WAR. And just to prove I am not biased against Tigers pitchers... an honorable mention to Justin Verlander, with an ERA+ of 130 and a 56.5 lifetime Tigers WAR.

This is where I'm at right now. I was conflicted during the game... not knowing which direction to turn... But I wanna see this team, Campbell, and all of the young kids on this team get better and better each week right now... And I'll take as many wins as this team can get right now. This year.

PS: I DO however, have a kilt that looks damn close to that; a sporran, knee-high tartan socks, etc... Never that mohawk though. I was surrounded though, by friends in all-black including lipstick, or purple hair teased into a wild Robert Smith hairdo...

Vikings trying to prove they're as good as their record...

Dude, it's been a long time since I looked like that!!!