1984Echoes

1st impression of D pairings/ signings this year, so far: Hagg is at the bottom, easily, and keeping Lindstrom there with him. I think Hronek, whatever warts he has... has benefited greatly from a pairing with Maata... I can't tell if Seider is in a bit of a sophomore slump, or if Chiarot is slowing him down a step/ or off his game a bit, or both (slump/ Chiarot has him off for whatever reason...).

Republicans can go F themselves.

DAMN... AGAIN!!! BEAUTIFUL!!! Particularly that bass solo...!

DAMN!!!

A defensive PG is usually a 3rd PG... a specialist. A primary backup PG absolutely has to be able to run the offense, and that includes being enough of a threat himself in order not to be a zero or non-factor and cause dysfunctionality of the offense he's trying to run...

That's exactly what I'm saying. And it changes from failure to not if the next playoff-level Tigers team is built primarily with Avila players. I'm still on board with dumping Avila for Harris. I'm not advocating for Avila... he just wasn't good enough in multiple areas. But the misrepresentations and personal fantasies and outright lies have me feeling I'm in the political forum instead of the Tigers forum...

A-Hah! Now I get it... you're just lying... Let's see: Tarik Skubal - 9th round, 2018. Kerry Carpenter - 19th round, 2019. Beau Brieske - 27th round, 2019. Kyle Funkhauser - 4th round, 2016 There are lots of others, but, yeah... Avila paid "NO ATTENTION" to the lower rounds. Please stop lying. 2022: Javier Osorio, $2.2 million. Samuel Gil, $1.2 million, Josue Breceno $800K, Heison Sanchez $800K. 2021: Christian Santana, $2.95 million, Abel Bastidas, $1.175 million. 2020 (held off till 2021 due to pandemic) 2019: Roberto Campos, $2.85 million. 2018: Jose De La Cruz, $1.8 million, Adinso Reyes, $1.45 million. Represented, or underrepresented does NOT preclude them from signing international free agents. Whether you like that or not. Whether you like the signings or not. What? Avila traded Justin Wilson and Alex Avila for Jeimer Candelario (23 yo) and Isaac Paredes (18 yo). That was a trade for the future. Avila traded Michael Fulmer for Reese Olson (22 yo). That was a trade for the future. Avila traded Shane Greene for Joey Wentz (21 yo) and Travis Demeritte. That was a trade for the future. He had others too. Again... you're just lying. I see. No matter what Avila's players turn out to be, even if championship level... you're just going to call it luck in order to discredit Avila. Got it. That sounds like a political agenda/ political spin-doctoring. Not interested. This discussion is finished. Go ahead and call it whatever you want to. It was a rebuild. Like it, love it, or hate it, it was a rebuild.

There was nothing nasty about that. It's called a barb. To look for a reaction. Yeah... thin-skinned. So I got yours now... any comment whatsoever and you melt down.

I think we're getting into semantics here but... Just because a rebuild fails doesn't mean it should then be called a dismantling, IMO. Call it a failed rebuild (and that's not even yet to be determined), but it's not like they didn't try at all... This wasn't a Finley or Huizenga dump of any and all salaries come hell or high water... Miggy Cabrera, Zimmerman, Pelfrey (and others) PROVE that. And though all of those failed - spectacularly - the attempt to remain competitive and spend on salaries (badly) still disproves a "dismantling". And it's not as if we didn't hunt bargain FA's all along (we DID!!!) trying to find extra value or some form of competitiveness... it's just that most of Avila's signings did fail. Outside of Fiers, Grossman (for a year anyways), Schoop (same), Javier Baez, Eduardo Rodriguez... But failed signings is not a dismantling, it's a failed FA signing. I lived through, and watched, as Huizenga forced Dombrowski to trade off anyone, any veteran, and everyone, making decent money after the Marlins won their first World Series. A team that DD built from scratch. And then he traded and drafted their next World Series team. I know exactly what a dismantling looks like. And this was no dismantling. Not by a long-shot. A failed rebuild if anyone wants to call it that. But the funny thing is... If Manning/ Mize/ Skubal/ Dingler/ Tork/ Greene/ Carpenter/ Keith/ Wentz/ Turnbull/ Baez/ Rodriguez/ headline our next Playoff capable team... was this even a failed rebuild? Or was everyone just too impatient to ride this thing out?

And no one expects an "average" payroll during a rebuild. So your last 7 years' complaints are moot point.

Excuse me? Tone what down? Asking which planet you're from is so egregious that it needs to be "toned down"? Don't be so thin-skinned.

No, it is, and was a rebuild. It may be a rebuild with lots and lots of faults... but it is a rebuild.

But if they beat us twice... That just improved ALL of our own draft picks, from 1st round to 7th round. Your logic works both ways here...

LOL. During a rebuild. What were you expecting during a rebuild, a top 5 Payroll? Seriously, where does your logic come from? Which planet?

WORLD SERIES, HERE WE COME!!!

Dude... Suck it up and cheer the Vikes to one playoff win this year... Then you (and all of us) can go back to crapping/ hating on them as much as possible...

Maybe not gold... But even a RH'ed hitting OF'er who gets on base at an insane clip might be helpful...

Oh please dudes (and gals) catch Democracy Fever! It's catching and it actually makes you feel good!!!

I believe we can grab waived players for free however (if he wants to go that route), as well as Rule 5 guys; and also, I don't think bottom-of-the-roster guys underperformances will stop Harris from moving other bottom-of-the-roster guys...

Which already explodes Sabretooth's "projected reality" (my words) as PURE FANTASY. Dark and dreary fantasy... but fantasy nonetheless...

Also... what are the conditions on the "conditional" pick? If Hock plays x-amount of plays for the Vikes (or gets a certain number of catches/ yards...) could that pick actually DROP to a 5th or 6th that we would have to convey? That would make the trade, at face value, improve some.

Please explain to me how we LOST a lottery ticket in this deal. I don't trust your math.

... PARTICULARLY on the coaching.

I hope that's true. I also am hoping Dems hold the House and gain a seat in the Senate.

Wow... There is no basis for reality here whatsoever. This is nor realistic at all... it is simply your OWN PERSONAL PROJECTION. Quite a bit off the charts, and laughable, actually. Hilarious. Your PERSONAL PROJECTION onto what Ilitch/ Harris are going to do for Tigers is the OPPOSITE of reality. Just wanted to let you know that...