1984Echoes

Eloquently stated and the "MAIN" reason I believe Harris moved on. Willing to take the risk he might get back on track at $5 mill but not willing to go above that.

Teams do this all the time. Teams are always taking risks on recovery projects, injury or otherwise. Two things: (1) We just gave Boyd $10 mill and he only pitched 13 innings last year. Please calculate the % overpay we just did on this deal, I'll be interested in that number. (2) Teams are NOT paying Candy based on 2022 numbers. (whether that was us or Washington). As Tenacious eludes to: He is being paid on the RISK that he can get back to 2021 numbers or something closely approximating that. You don't pay $5 mill for someone who gives you 0 or negative WAR. I contend that the MAIN reason Harris let Candy go non-tendered was that he didn't want to take the RISK that Candy could get back to 2021 numbers or not, at $7 mill (but would do so at $5 mill so I guess that is the other factor... call that "risk tolerance factor" ?), and instead decided he would take the RISK that he could fill that position using alternate methods and get the same expected production (2.5-ish WAR?) from other players, regardless of the cost. IE If they give $7 mill to Evan Longoria as a stopgap (who is 37 y.o. and has played about a half, or less, of the games in each of the past 2 years...) then Harris has simply decided that paying Longoria $7 mill instead of Candy $7 mill for 2023 is the better RISK.

Could be...

Why didn't they do that LAST week...?

The flipside is... The dice still could have been rolled that he would recover to a 3-ish WAR level (definitely risk there) and traded him before the deadline for something of value. That might be different (given our recent history...). This is where I was at... But now that he's gone... nothing I can do but move on. My preference was that he be tendered though. Too late. No crying over spilt milk...

Because that would be a "hidden" special teams Ace of Spades hidden up their sleeves...

I'm just now thinking in 20-20 hindsight... They HEAVILY overloaded the Left Side (Jets rightside) of the Line... Did they influence Zeurlein to avoid them and kick it too far to the inside left (Jets side) of the FG? Because, it started left, and straight, and kept going left until it missed to the left... NAW!!! I must be IMAGINING that...! RIGHT?!?! (to anyone in general...)

WHEW!!! What a MF'reakin' TOUGH WIN!!!

Okudah gives up 22 on a 3rd and 19. Not a #1 CB...

HAHAHA!!! Holy SHIT! Brock WRIGHT!

Not enough play-action when you know the defense is going to key on Jamaal...

Depending on how the draft falls... I think it would be hard to line up two CB's... But - again, depending on how the draft falls - I'll take a CB, Safety, coverage LB'er or better, another Pass-Rusher, etc...

And he stepped INTO that throw... Cringe-worthy.

On that last run when they went to Jamaal again... I screamed "NO!" as soon as he handed it off and then "BOOTLEG it dammit!" At that point I think everyone in the stadium knew it was going to Jamaal and he subsequently got swarmed by 4 Jets defenders before he got to the line of scrimmage. Not certain if a bootleg would've worked there... but they're going to have to start faking it to Jamaal in a play-action or bootleg or other because teams are getting wise...

+1. On that 2nd holding, he should have bull-punched the guy in the chest as hard as he could... the defender would've gone flying out of bounds... instead, he grabbed the outside of the shoulder pads (announcers called it) and gets the holding. Shoulda crushed the guy...

You don't know what you're talking about.

I think Okudah is good... but like buddha, I don't believe he's "very good". He's had multiple PI's in the end zone, not just this game (which they didn't call an obvious one on him... lucky for the Lions). He can cover... but he's not gifted and can be beat, or PI'd when he knows he's beat. Can he get better? Don't know. But I'm not arguing against a 1st round CB in next year's draft at all... Especially if the Rams pick drops closer to top 10 rather than top 5... I'm looking at that pick for CB.

No, that's NOT what I said. Harris needs to fix all the broken parts/ mistakes Avila made. But... It would be HILARIOUS if 90% of our next playoff team was Avila parts...! I would definitely LOL.

Keep pouring it on Colts... Need to consolidate that Rams draft pick position...

I don't think we NEED to trade away Soto or Lange or Eduardo... However... If it's "an offer we can't refuse", then I'm on board.

It's not a rebuild. It's a Repair & Fix 'em back up job.

Just as an aside... Wasn't it 10 years $295 mill? I thought he was trying to keep under a $30 mill AAV if I remember correctly. My memory sucks though... but I thought it was $295 mill?

Not even April. We already HAVE a boatload of high draft picks. We don't need to be on a 5-year draft & development timeframe because those guys are ALREADY HERE (I'm not bagging on you Longgone... I know it's not you making these statements, it's others on the board... I was just using your post because of the April timing... I have a different theory on that): Harris and Hinch and all the other king's men they hired need to fix broken parts first. Because if they were ALL miraculously fixed - Mize, Manning, Skubal, Eduardo, Faedo, Wentz, Brieske, Lange, Soto, Rogers, Torkelson, Greene, Matthews, Baez, Carpenter, Baddoo, Kreidler - and with a second wave coming shortly (Olson, Madden, Dingler, Keith, Wenceel, Parker, Malloy)... they would have at least the BEGINNINGS of a competitive team. But a lot of these guys... I don't think we know what we have/ don't have/ has been fixed... until the END of next season. In September 2023... I'll tell you what kind of team we have for 2023, where the holes are, and where/ how I think Harris fixes those holes. Just my 2 cents.

2. Ilitch spent on Eduardo and Baez last year, and others, when it looked like we might break through. All this whining about Chris not spending is total BS. When the team is competitive and ready to make a move to win playoff games, he'll spend. He's already proven that. 3. These free agents aren't siding and roofing. For the most part. They are mostly sheds and outhouses. Again, all the whining about not spending money on bandaids, outhouses, sheds and busted condoms is ridiculous. I wouldn't spend money on this team even if it was someone else's money. Bandaids (Boyd and Lorenzen) to cover booboos, fine. But the primary purpose in 2023 is to fix all our broken parts - pitchers, prospects, hitting and development coaches. And Harris sifting through waiver wires and other inexpensive pickups to see if he can find a few parts that can stick. That's it. When they get everything fixed and we can figure out who is a building block and who is not (and can be traded away) and what holes need to be filled in 2024 (NOT 2023...), then we can talk about spending money in the offseason 2023-24. I don't see it happening this offseason and furthermore I don't see any REASON to spend this offseason. I fully expect us to make a run at the Playoffs in 2024... so at that point (next offseason) I would be looking to shop. And it might be trades shopping, not FA shopping. We'll see. But 2023 is a lost season. Get used to it, because that's not changing. And no FA signing is going to change that either.

Good loss. Buddha... I'm reading that as, since he got the surgery, that he will be back around May-ish able to work out and get back into basketball shape... that's more than 12 weeks from now...