1984Echoes

You guys don't remember why DD was axed? He openly/ publicly flirted with the Boston Red Sox over their open GM job. Ilitch fired DD BEFORE the Price/ Soria/ Cespedes trades (everyone wondered why he was handling deadline trades when Ilitch had already demanded his resignation). Mike was PISSED with DD's disloyalty to the Tigers... that he had the audacity to publicly flirt with the Red Sox while still Detroit's GM. I think he was given "two weeks notice", which covered the trade deadline, or something along those lines. He was officially released by the Tigers on August 4th, 2015. He was hired by the Boston Red Sox to be their new GM on August 18th, 2015.

Now that was one seriously fucked up draft!!!

It's never a good time to panic. When you're under duress, and in a panic, you fuck up. IIRC, I had this EXACT same conversation last year on this board (err, the old board) when the team started out of the gate and fell flat on its face. The exact same panic comments: "Fire Avila!", "Fire Hinch", "FIRE THEM ALL!!!", "Avila sucks, he's the worst, get rid of him!!!", "This year is WORSE than 2004!!!", etc., etc., etc... The EXACT same stream of comments. I stated unequivocally last year to DON'T panic, it will get better. And I am saying the same right now. Don't panic. The team sucks. We're under duress... so lets lash out and burn everything to the ground... Not. Players will get back from injuries. Hinch delivered his tongue lashing and I predict that starting tomorrow (or maybe later, we'll see with this team...) the team starts playing/ hitting better. All the angst over drafting RHP's, while historically correct, does not guarantee future repeat results. Greene and Tork will play much, much better. If not this year, then next. Baez will play much, much better, if not this year, then next. Not to be the steady, reliable emotional touchstone here but (and Lee is correct, I'm not exactly the best guy to do that...), for right now, as much as everyone will absolutely hate this: I believe it's best to stay the course and ride this shit storm out. The sun always comes back out to shine, even after a Cat 5 hurricane.

Nope. That's the worst time to panic.

My stance on this team hasn't changed. Rough times. But difficult times are not a good reason to make panic moves. And IMO, everyone in here is now in Panic Mode.

So... They were "casing the joint"? I could never have imagined that...

He was a productive pass catcher with the Panthers... Stick him at H-Back, out wide, etc... could still be a weapon IMO...

I would be on board with that. It's why I was thinking about it since Friday. Stop (or at least attempt to stop) inflation in its tracks. It might cause us a mild recession though... Housing/ mortgages will get hammered. Spending will drop, at least in the short term. Causing backwash all along the supply chain... Just need to fix this refinery/ oil/ gas price issue as the final piece IMO.

I was thinking this... A full point to... make a point?

Hmmm... That one sounds familiar...

FTFY.

1 and 4 aren't showing. Otherwise, I see George Brett at #2 with a .550 OPS through 81 games and Alan Trammel at #6 with a .613 OPS, if you were looking for noteworthy names that might mean something to us.... Ah, the blurred guys... so 1 and 4 are Connie Mack and/ or John McGraw and/ or similar...

They are. Hillary was correct.

I don't think we really know that until after this season. I mean LB'ers is an obvious area of need... But everywhere else is a grey area until we learn more this season...

If a team is in position to draft Stroud or Young but already has their franchise QB (let's call them the "Jacksonville Jaguars" for arguments sake...), then they will want to trade down for whatever king's ransom they can get. If Holmes decides he absolutely has to have one of those guys... he'll have two 1st rounders in 2023, and he can add in a 2024 1st, and additional 2nds & 3rds as needed. I mean, the less he pays the better... but I see no reason why he can't/ doesn't have enough "ammunition" to move up if he wants to. So I am less worried about the cost/ ability to move up and go get a guy we want... and more invested in Holmes etal just making the correct decision. I mean I have confidence there too... I just want to see it happen for the team... And by "it", I mean go all the way to the top.

This is how Democracy Dies...

Thanks for that! (I didn't think Kim Deal would ever associate with Frank Black again... so with no possibility of that happening, of course it would need to be another bass player...) I wasn't paying attention... I'll have to check their new stuff out!

Olson had a start at Erie today... 4 innings, 9 K's. 1 Run on 4 hits and 1 BB. 77 pitches so maybe that's his pitch cap (80-ish) and why he only pitched the 4...?

The Pixies put out some new material?!

I agree... That's my main point. I'm already looking beyond this year...

Flores looks like he could become a monster prospect... he's just smokin' guys... 21 y.o. in AA already... So... aside from getting Torkelson/ Dingler/ Cabrera (Danny)/ Trei Cruz/ Gage Workman/ and Colten Keith in only 5 rounds of drafting in 2020... They also picked up Wilmer Flores as an undrafted FA pitcher right after that draft... Not a bad draft... we'll see how that finishes up...

Cisnero is already 33 and I don't see him as a long-term fixture. I'm not wishing him ill will or anything, it's not that at all.... It's just that... If it's time to move on from him... it's time. I won't sweat that. I am completely into turning the roster over to young guys. Even if they flop... I wanna see them get their chance to make it or sink it... It's why it didn't bother me to suggest moving on from Schoop and giving 2B to Clemens... Kody could completely fall on his face (he has so far...) but I don't care. Let's just move on... from Grossman, Schoop, Miggy (after this season), Barnhart (same), Cisnero, Jacob Barnes (?!?!), even Haase if he can't do any better than this... Fulmer can come back next year if he comes back cheap...

Hmm... Well, it seems Elvin has a lot of work to do if he wants to make it at the MLB level...

Something like this. His posts are nothing but pure bile.

Spoken like a TRUE ENEMY of DEMOCRACY. Go back to Russia you traitorous fascist beeotch.