1984Echoes

I would like to test this theory... Because: A) If our system is quite bad right now, as you say, then we cannot expect more than a couple of guys from the following list to make it to MLB. B) If however, 3 or more from the following list can conceivably make it to MLB, and be productive, (you can change it to 4 or 5... pick whatever number you want), then we do NOT have a weak system, just a lot of young talented guys that will take a while to develop... which is what I am saying. So if you would indulge me (or anyone else who wants to take a shot at this)... out of the following list of prospects, who has NO chance of ever making it to MLB, for more than a cup, simply because they are not talented enough to do so. If you can NOT take them off this list as having no chance whatsoever.. then that means exactly what I've said... they have the talent, the potential... but have to go through the development process/ their learning curves to make it all the way. Short story: If they have a chance, they have the talent. If they just don't have the talent (Org guys or worse), they don't have a chance. (Aside from an emergency/ cup of coffee, or similar... which doesn't count.) If a guy might only put up a 4 or 5 WAR career (4th OF'er, utility guy, reliever...) that still counts. So who on the following list has absolutely NO chance of ever making it to MLB: Dillon Dingler, Josh Crouch, Peyton Graham, Jace Jung, Wenceel Perez, Gage Workman, Christian Santana, Manuel Sequera, Trei Cruz, Colten Keith, Adinso Reyes, Izaac Pacheco, Jose De La Cruz, Parker Meadows, Roberto Campos, Kerry Carpenter, Reese Olson, Jackson Jobe, Wilmer Flores, Ty Madden, Dylan Smith, Brant Hurter, Eddy Felix, Donal Montas, Juan Ruiz.

That... And since Baddoo is STILL struggling as of right now... make the switch and kill two birds: Give Kerry his chance... and get Baddoo back into AAA to work on his swing... Or is that too logical?

I'd love to get some Cody Ross or Matt Joyce out of him... Or at least frickin' give him that chance...

6 runs?!?!

Awesome... I'll go look... But also... "don't increase at all in the top 3" means that once a team starts falling OUT of the top 3 those odds start to decrease, correct? (before I go take a look for the answer myself...).

Apparently they were... And Hill is even gutting out a pretty decent start...

The flipside is... You are not wrong on multiple points in here. Can't project trades or FA's because who knows what the future holds for either of these; they are just too much of an unknown. But the flipside is... if you have a healthy farm system, then if there is a position weakness in the future, a team can either spend some money on a key free agent, or have the right prospects to trade for a key player... like Miggy or the just completed Soto trade. I don't think we have the right prospects - today - for that. But What I also mean by what I just said is that so many of our potential "upside" prospects in our pipeline are 18-20 and just drafted or just coming over to the US from the International Leagues that they still have to develop into viable prospects for the Tigers or as potential trade prospects. On prospect surprises or player flameouts... also 100% correct. It is more a simple exercise, or "list", of "upside" prospects. Without regard to flameouts or surprises. However, the flipside to that is... If we only had one or two guys that we were really relying on to "make it", to MLB, to be a potential "impact" players... we'd have a very weak, talent-deficient system. Top heavy. I don't think we have a weak, talent-deficient system. I think we have an exceedingly young system. That puts more risk on the development side, and the possibility of a lot of flameouts. But it also says we have a boatload of lottery tickets that we hope several WILL make it through the system and up in MLB. Or to be used as trade ammunition. And I believe the list I threw out there (not every guy on there has a high upside.. some are just Org players... but on the flipside, there IS a lot of high-end talent on that list... which is now on the Tigers Development team to actually develop them...). And it's not like we don't have ANY talent in the system. In fact, we DO have a lot of talent in the system. High end talent. A LOT of it. It's just that a whole lot of that high end talent is, just, very very young. I prefer our system as is. With a crapload of high-end upside talent... and young... than our 1980's, 1990's, and 2010's barren systems. It took Avila too long to fix our farm system... but I think it's different now. It's better. It's loaded. Even if it takes a bit of time to see it as fruitful as we want to see it. And I would just like to point all that out. That's my flipside.

Prior post in Ref to this one of course...

Can we, please? I'll bet we could come up with a quick list of names that we would LOVE to trade for Griner and Whelan, and a couple others unfairly trapped by Russia... Including: Alex Jones (just because he's a grotesque MF'er), Jeannine Pirro, Josh Hawley, Tucker Carlson, Rudy Giuliani, Donald Trump, Tulsi Gabbard, Laura Ingraham... and other assorted Benedict Arnold Traitors to the Constitution of the United States. Seems like a fair trade to me...

Dare I say...? Dems kicking ass?

True statement.

Russia's kidnapping of 1.6 million Ukrainians to force-convert them into Russians: https://www.yahoo.com/news/inside-russia-kafka-esque-mass-083330173.html

= our next Lou Whitaker.

Wenceel Perez.

Time will tell who is wrong on this...

That's today. Which says nothing about tomorrow (you know... "wait till next year!!!").

Late bloomer. Like JD Martinez.

I'll let you know after the 2025 season. Bet you can't wait for that!!! Especially because there will be 3 more Avila's worth of draft picks on their way!!!

PS: Did I forget to mention the Bullpen? Jimenez, Soto, Foley, Vest, Alexander, Hill, Lange... not a 1st rounder in there...

Trei Cruz 3-4 with a HR, BB and 2 runs scored. Pacheco also hit a HR for WM... Hurter didn't make it out of the 1st though with 4 ER's on 4 hits (1HR) and 2 BB's.

Oh... do you mean like Spencer Turnbull? Or Tarik Skubal? Or Ty Alexander? Beau Brieske? Kody Clemens? Dillon Dingler or Wenceel Perez (whoops, gotta wait another year for those two...)?

Tossing his hat into the mix for the 2023 rotation...

Wouldn't that be hilarious if Gipson-Long turns into another Reese Olson...?

Yep... I forget how the odds (weighting) play out based on position...

Really pushing for another top draft spot... We are essentially tied with the Cubs & Royals for the #3 spot as of the moment...