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Got it. You adopt Hill, I'll adopt Wentz... And we'll see what happens! 😉

That's why I like his chances to win the 5th starter spot out of ST... His prospects, IMO, are much, much higher than Garrett Hill's... But that's just me...

Which he's not even doing. He's calling you out for being juvenile. BTW: How old are you?

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Aren't superstars goin to be pissed about that change? Break into MLB at 20 or 21 or 22 and have to wait until getting past 28.5? And someone breaking into MLB at 25 or 26 gets to be a FA after 3 years, not 6? I don't think that will fly. From the players POV.

Haha! No way.

Hinch & the Tigers will challenge him... In MLB. I don't want to guarantee he breaks ST with the Tigers... But I don't think he goes to AAA, I think he starts on the 25.

I was just going to say that it looks like they're generating no pressure on their goalie and putting it all on Ned's shoulders... (Not watching the game...) So when are they going to be able to stop other teams' from generating that pressure... and instead put it on the other team? ... on a consistent basis.

So in other words... you're only looking at the 0-fers and being totally swayed by that. He still had a 1.015 OPS his last 116 (typo) PA's. That's called finishing the season strong at AAA. You don't get to discount that. Even despite a few 0-fers (which EVERY hitter incurs...).

Did you mean his 1.015 OPS his last 116 PA's?

Or maybe it's already a done deal and they have to settle for sloppy seconds?

FTFY: September & October (116 PA's) beg to differ.

There's nothing left of the Republican Party except a bunch of Fascist MF'ing Scumbags.

From Detroit's perspective though: Any changes in the CBA are mostly going to be meaningless. They're at/ near the bottom in salaries so... not much is going to change for them. CBA-wise, that is...

I don't think this is correct. I think this is correct. From the players' point of view: better to have a contract before the CBA runs out then not. No contract when the squabbling starts over the CBA = NO PAY. From the teams' perspective, especially from a team like Detroit that is trying to become competitive again: Better to "strike while the iron is hot". Meaning, get these players NOW, while they can. If other teams are waiting, then that is definitely to Detroit's advantage. We have our 2022 catching problem resolved. We have already signed our 2022 "4th starter innings eater with upside but not an ace" pitcher to solidify our starting rotation. Sign our 2022 Superstar Shortstop and we are basically ready to go. If there's a CBA strike/ owner's shutdown, those salaries are covered or reduced anyways, right? So why not sign those guys NOW, and the team will be happy, the fans will be happy, and of course, those players will be happy too (not hanging out there to dry...). Just my 2 cents.

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Now that would be interesting. Extremely doubtful (like, 99.9%) that happens... but interesting scenario (from a Lion's fan POV).

A few comments on this: 1) You're anti-tanking stance seems a bit emotional. I don't mean that in a mean way but, more like an "I hate tanking!" statement. 2) I don't look at this as emotional, but rather, practical. Meaning... if a team has screwed up (empty farm system from a lack of draft and develop or otherwise (traded away ALL their good prospects)), then I don't think that team has much of a choice but to tank once their competitive vets are too old and... no longer competitive. I'm not ADVOCATING for tanking.. but in Detroit's case, we both had a bad draft and develop team AND DD had traded away any prospects with any worth. Basically an empty farm system with no real Draft & Develop skills/ coaches/ etc. in place to do a quick rebuild. So, if anything, I was RESIGNED to the fact that the Tigers were going to have to do a complete rebuild, including a real D&D team, since we weren't good at that, and we were going to have to go through a multi-year tank/ rebuild because... we had nothing in the minors. I mean, almost literally. 3) I also prefer competitive versus crap/ tanking years. But I also crave championships. And the basis for both competitive and Championship is what is near and dear to my heart: Draft & Develop. I want that more than anything else for Avila and this Tigers team. Because if they have D&D... we can remain competitive for a long time, and take our shots at Championships as the opportunity presents itself (if that's 7 out of 10 years with 2 "almost" years and 1 crappy/ reset year.. yeah, that's good...). Bottom line is: I won't complain about the past 5 years because we were stuck: nothing in the farm system, and our D&D sucked. I hope we "never" (can never say never) have to go through that again for a long, long, time. But in order to avoid tanking, IMO, D&D is a MUST. I hope Avila has us set up for that. Hinch has also expressed a desire... Maybe he takes over from Avila at some point and continues D&D par excellence.

Is this the same thing? Or are we on multiple sources now? In other words: WHERE IS MY CARLOS CORREA SIGNING?!?!?!

Quick reminder: We get a reset after 2023...

What happened to the Cleveland "River on Fire"? Much better than the "Guardians".

Cade and Bey had good games though. 25 and 28 points... Cade: 5-10 from 3, 5-9 from 2, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals. (Does he turn into a triple-double guy at some point...?) Bey: finding his range again at 4-9 on 3's and 28 points, 6-7 FT's. Stewart: 15 rebounds but... honestly, I'd rather see him come off the bench as a 6th man/ energy guy/ PF/C depending on matchup... But, we aren't built for that just yet.

Like T&P?

Without doing a deep-dive... And, oddly enough: The New York Yankees come closest (so far) to Model #2. Finishing 4th or worse for 6 seasons in a row, ending with 1 World Series Championship at the end of these 10 years. Oddly enough, they had a 51% winning % over these 10 years, but I'll take the 6 straight 4th or worse finishes, and a 4 year spree averaging 90 losses, to squeeze into this definition: CRAPPY, 1 world series, and then DOMINANT: NY Yankees 1987-1996 Crap Decade 791 760 51% 1 World Series Win, six 4th or worse finishes in a row Led to: 1997-2006 DOMINANT 987 629 61% 3 More World Series Wins

I think both could be fast-tracked. But I'll wait and see it before I believe it.