1984Echoes

They're all lottery tickets at that age though. Some with more "perceived" ability than others. Campos was supposed to be a "5-tool" star. A "hidden gem" from Cuba that the Tigers were able to, somehow, actually hide him in the Dominican, IIRC. By having him not play anything so... yeah, we "bought" him "sight unseen". Literally. I don't think the book has closed on him yet. And I wouldn't read his first 4 years as "that's it, nothing more to see here". That's maybe just me... But I'm evaluating nothing right now as set in stone, I have zero expectations at this point, but ALSO a "wait-n-see" attitude. If he pops up all of a sudden... "Cool". If he never makes it and ends up as nothing more than "AAAA", which I think is where you have him at this point? Then it's "Oh well". But, again... I don't think it's time just yet to just give up on him. IMO.

I think Briceno is also ready to be challenged at a higher (A+) level. But he's been injured so he hasn't been able to show anything, obviously. But I think once he completes a rehab, in Lakeland and/or at a lower level... He'll also join Clark/McGonigle in West Michigan.

Sounds about right. now. Errr, not right now, maybe later. ... in the season.

Right, but ummm, yeah.... Didn't I say AAA guys? Jobe is not in AAA. And didn't you already make the point that Flores and Englert are already on the 40? I don't think Harris is going to go out insisting that a SP needs to be added to a trade package because... simply, he's in some desperate spot where he MUST have a SP included in a trade package. I think that was your point, IIRC. Tell me if I'm wrong on that. Which I believe is not correct. If he's trading Flaherty or Kelly or Skubal he's trading them for guys he likes, whether there is an MLB-ready SP in there or not. I don't believe you are correct that he will try to squeeze a SP in there simply based on need. If he needs another SP, he will rely on the 40, or make a 40 move, or decide to NOT trade Flaherty or Skubal because he's deciding to hold onto his cards based on circumstance, OR he will trade Flaherty or Skubal because of a monster package being offered AND he will make a deadline trade for a cheap back-end guy. Sorry, but I firmly believe he's not going to distort a trade package simply because of a perceived immediate need in the rotation. And all I'm saying is that there are other ways of achieving that, without the distortion.

Nix that. I think we can get something better for Urshela... How about Joey Wentz?

They can have Urshela for him... On the off chance he actually turns into something...

I think Campos took a tiny step forward this year. I mean, he's got a LOT of more steps he needs to be taking... But he's still only 21 so... I'm not yet giving up on him. But that's just me...

Whew!!! ASK and you SHALL RECEIVE!!! 😁

This makes the most sense...

What's the verdict on Vilade? I just saw him the one game in RF and he looked a little rough out there. He found his MLB bat it looks like... and he can play lots of positions... But if it's not very well at all those positions then.... What's the consensus...?

Including the very first pitch of the game that Wenceel sent to the RF fence/ Caught AT the wall. A few more feet Wenceel...

Fee fees hurt?

At the very least... Springer seems to have Montero's number... So, yeah, something... walk will do.

Right.. But I didn't suggest that. I suggested he get a start or two in September after the AA season ends...

Well I'm already insane... But that's besides the point. 😉

I don't think a guy who is dominating at AA, and gets a start or two at the end of the season to see how he fares against MLB hitters should be called "Forcing him up the ladder". That's not forcing him at all. He's ready for MLB, or almost ready, or nearly ready... A couple starts at the very end of the season isn't "forcing" IMO, it's "exposure to a higher level" and exposure does not = forcing.

Holy CRAP... For a first OUT of the game... Damn... that was one of the most beautiful first OUTS of the game I've ever seen from the Tigers. First pitch, ball is skied but RF'er at the fence snags it. And then Keith does nearly the same to CF. Hmmm... what's going on here?

Gaslighting: "manipulating someone into questioning their reality, memories, or sanity" Freak, you are LITERALLY trying to CREATE something that DOES NOT EXIST: "should have got it in WRITING" in order to try to deceive us into thinking Harris is at fault. No player, EVER, has signed anything in writing agreeing to be part of a trade. Go ahead and find an example for us... We're all waiting. Waiting... waiting... waiting... Oh yeah, it DOES NOT EXIST. You are the LITERAL definition of gaslighting. Try again.

In other words: You're making up some BS excuse to blame Harris because that's your narrative. Everyone knows E-Rod flaked out at the last minute and that fault is 100% his. You're... Gaslighting.

GASLIGHTING.

And now a double for Clark after McGonigle's 3-run homer... So: McGonigle is currently at .325 BA/ .873 OPS and Clark is currently at .284 BA and .804 OPS.... When were they planning to challenge these two with a move to High-A?

And McGonigle his 4th (2 men on). Lakeland 4-0 over Dunedin.

Clark just his 7th HR of the season. Solo. (Actually that was last inning...)

GASLIGHTING. Yeah, that's exactly what you're doing here.

I believe that we are not close enough to the playoffs this year to "needs SP". I think even if we have to bandaid, bullpen day, or give a bunch of untested AAA kids some spot starts to see how they fare in MLB... that's what will happen this year. I'm of the opinion that Harris doesn't think he "needs SP".