1984Echoes

There's a problem with your model here... you haven't talked about the SECOND 10 years: - Model #1: team's stars age out or hit FA, and there's nothing left in the pipeline. Trying to maintain the "glory" of the past 10 years, this team signs some FA's to fill the gaps and try to continue winning like they did the past 10 years. But they don't. The FA's falter and the rest of the team is too old or just not good enough any more. In THESE 10 years: Model #1 team loses an average 87 games. A few seasons they get above .500 and threaten making the playoffs, but never quite get there. Their middling draft picks turn into average or less Major Leaguers, with several flopping out or just not making it at all to MLB. They go through 6 Manager changes in this decade trying to "find something", but never do. Their .463 winning percentage for the decade is admirable, as is their willingness to try to win... But it also becomes known in the team's lore as the "Lost Decade". - Model #2: In this decade, Model #2 becomes... Model #1. Averaging 95 wins in this decade though, Model #2 also wins another two Championships and makes another WS, losing to the dreaded Colorado Rockies. The only black spot in the decade for Model #2.

But hey... I'd take that if it meant good middle innings relief for the Tigers.

And an MLB middle reliever at best.

Can I get the 96-05 Braves PLUS the 2010 Royals? 10 competitive playoff-type years plus one Ring?

Yeah I know... But... I think there's a serious question right now on whether he can get back to that. Maybe I should have said "if Goff can't get back to doing that". Maybe that would have been a bit clearer... So... if he can't... On to "next".

Works for me. And if Goff can't do that... On to the next QB, whenever the team is ready to do that...

Good. Let's see what he can do.

Something that this country needs. But because there is a Dem Administration, the only thing that matters is a big F.U. to the Dems, forget what the country needs. I'm glad Upton had the balls to do the right thing, as well as all of the other Republican Senators and Congressman. That caller can go F himself. I am sick to death of these contemptable scumbags.

Pfife: ... some double standard where "F Biden" is condemned but "F Trump" is celebrated. ewsieg: ... yes, I did say that, because it's true. One of the ... 'truisms' where people on each side find themselves offended by one and proudly saying the other. An 84 comment: I won't claim innocence on this because I cannot. But let me restate that: Prior to the racist/ obstuctionist Tea Party Republicans (or any previous bigoted politicians - from any party), I never stated an F Republicans point of view. I voted Republican as recently as 2004. And prior. But Trump? Hell yes, F Trump. And THESE Republicans, yes, F Them. They are despicable, racist, ignorant, fascist retrogrades. But the thing is, for those establishment, ethical, non-racist conservatives, I do NOT have that sentiment. For those willing to work with others for the betterment of this country, I do NOT have that sentiment. For those who have some graciousness and honesty and integrity, I do NOT have that sentiment. For those conservatives who have actual plans/ policies to move this country forward into the future, instead of hanging onto a past that no longer exists or that needs to be transitioned away from in order to introduce the future USA, I do NOT have that sentiment. For those who follow the rule of law rather than trying to subvert the Constitutional Right of any voting age Americans to vote, I do NOT have that sentiment. Any fiscally conservative Republican who is also socially liberal... I do NOT have that sentiment. So... what Percent of the current Republican Party meets this definition? And for any Republican who is willing to subvert anyone's Constitutional right to vote, is unwilling to stand up to the Jan 6th Insurrection against the Constitution of the United States, is a straight up racist, liar, or unethical, or supports Trump... They can go F themselves. And F Trump. And... STILL Biden doesn't deserve an F Biden, nor did Obama deserve an F Obama. But I heard plenty of that during his 8 years. Mostly from my white trash bigoted family. So... you know what? F them too.

Obama tried as early as 2011 to push an Infrastructure Plan through Congress and the Tea Party Republicans said "F.U. You're a black (unspoken) Dem President so we don't give a F about the country... Partisan Republicans Only." Right?

Well... we'll see about that in the playoffs. In fact, that's probably the only thing that matters... from Stafford and the Rams' perspective.

As an aside: it was the Pope who authorized genocide. But your 90% was mostly due to disease. Not genocide.

You're talking about kids who created the KKK, Jim Crow, and lynchings... right?

They're only doing that because of Hinch. But if we actually get Correa, partly because Hinch, well then... Hell Yeah!

Harris and Obama and others should do the majority of the touring/ talking whilst Biden does more National or state-wide appearances, methinks...

Money-grubbing deuchebag.

Here, I'll give a Republican solution: Instead of "reparations", create an "inner city revival" program: Microlending. It's successful in 3rd world countries. It doesn't cost tax payer dollars. It creates small businesses by the thousands as individual borrowers create these businesses. It injects large amounts of funds into inner cities, creating businesses, wealth, and inner-city economic multipliers as that wealth is further spent... "revival". And if it is for minorities, then it can equally benefit Asians, Blacks, Hispanics.

Screw that. Although... I didn't need CRT myself, in the 70's... because I did my own research. Underground railroad. Harriet Tubman. Nat Turner. Abolitionist. Frederick Douglass. John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry (went there). Roots. Alex Haley. The Emancipation Proclamation. Approximately 12 million imported into the Americas (starting mainly in Jamaica and other Caribbean islands) with an estimated 2 million dead from the Africa-to-Americas passage alone. It's not hard to have a F'ing conscience about this but, for whatever reason, a large percentage of white America maintains a F.U., Hate U attitude that exceeds anywhere else on the planet. (Maybe? Exists in Europe but I believe at a much, much lower level... Higher percentages the more North/ northeastern Europe you go (Germany/ Poland/ Russia)).

Yeah... Bertuzzi... He's turning into a monster... Next test is sustainability...

Damn!!! All ours!!!

PS: Your assertion that the Tigers cannot draft and develop is ancient history. It no longer applies.

F me...!

I got your point exactly. You think we have a lack of successful development. In fact you stated we are crappy at developing anyone who is not a top 5 pick in the 1st round. Am I stating this incorrectly? So I listed: Spencer Turnbull, Tarik Skubal, Tyler Alexander, Matt Manning, Derek Hill, Greg Soto, Kyle Funkhauser, and Dillon Dingler. Spencer Turnbull was drafted in the 2nd round 2014. Meets your requirements. Explain to me how he is NOT a successful draft and develop. Tarik Skubal was drafted in the 9th round 2018. Meets your requirements. Explain to me how he is NOT a successful draft and develop. Tyler Alexander was drafted in the 3rd round 2015. Meets your requirements. Explain to me how he is NOT a successful draft and develop. Matt Manning was drafted in the 1st round 2016, out of HS at #9, and was raw as hell. Meets your requirements. Explain to me how he is NOT a successful draft and develop. Derek Hill was drafted at #23 in the 1st round 2014. Meets your requirements. Explain to me how he is NOT a successful draft and develop. Greg Soto was an International signing in 2012 which is essentially the same as draft and develop. Meets your requirements (not a top 5 1st rounder). Explain to me how he is NOT a successful draft and develop. Kyle Funkhauser was drafted in the 4th round 2016. Meets your requirements. Explain to me how he is NOT a successful draft and develop. Dillon Dingler was drafted in the 2nd round 2020. Meets your requirements. Hasn't made MLB yet, obviously... but just watch him as he becomes our starter at catcher so in due time... he'll be another successful draft and develop. You can put him on hold if you want to...

Yeah... I think there's better and cheaper than him so no thanks...

Oh... You're talking about how many HOF'ers have we drafted and developed outside of a top5 1st round pick? Well how many does ANY team develop on that basis?