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On Tuomisto - agree, if his speed is a problem at GR, it's certainly going to be worse in the NHL. Your criticisms of Wallinder may be 100% accurate... but I don't believe that is any kind of "death knell" for Wallinder as a prospect. Which it seems as though you are doing in your posts on him. If the message is simply: "Dude, you have to get stronger/tougher...", and that's it. Well, I am certainly hoping that that is not a bridge too far for Wallinder to cross. So... maybe he just needs a little more time to add strength and toughness. I have to believe someone can get past that type of hurdle. And if the team is being conservative with him, even as he DOES add strength and toughness... that's OK too... it just means they are taking it slow with him... also NOT an indictment of his NHL potential. Or... as you said, maybe they can handle one pair loaded with rookie mistakes (ASP on the 2nd) but do not want to deal with the 3rd pairing also exposed to any (Wallinder) rookie mistakes. Too much for one team/ coach/ roster/ older and slower goalie pair... to put up with. Lastly... I was thinking the same on Buium. He's looking (err, he was before he got nicked up) fast and dangerous and a net positive as a D. But we'll just have to wait and see how this all plays out. Even if I'm chomping at the bit here... quite a lot.

I'm sorry... but I disagree with this sentiment. Holl, 2019-22: +58 +/- (4 years, all with Toronto = +14.5 average) Detroit 2023: +8 in 38 games (+16 pace) Detroit 2024: -7 in 73 games. Not good, but not atrocious either. 33 years old. Maybe a bad year. Maybe age. But he's been a good defensive defenseman for a long time, including for Detroit in 2023. Seems like a good (vet, experience) 3rd pairing guy... to me. Hamonic, 2021-24: -25 +/- (4 years = -6 average), 35 years old. This year: -9 in 14 games. Ouch. Atrocious! Chiarot, 2020-24: -79 +/- (5 years = -16 average), 34 years old. Ouch. Atrocious! This year: +3 in 23 games. Mostly as a 2nd pairing... Not bad. My first question is: Why is Chiarot looked at as a 1st/2nd pairing guy who is really good? For the Wings. Seems like a 3rd pairing guy and that is IT. I don't want him on the top pairing... Although I do think he is a good guy to pair up with ASP because ASP needs a vet presence next to him (IMO), and as a lighter D, I like heavy-Chiarot as his partner... I can live with that. But why is Holl looked at as some kind of abomination? I think that's completely ridiculous and I just don't understand you guys. It's not just you SFK, everyone on here holds the same sentiment. And I don't get it. I've WATCHED him. And it seems like every time I am watching him he makes positive plays for the team. he's not perfect, he makes mistakes, but very few as I've watched him... And maybe he's an old 33... But still don't understand such negative sentiment on Holl. He's certainly NOT worse than Hamonic, and he's been more of a positive on this team than Chiarot (as a 3rd pair D where Chiarot was definitely miscast, although forced into being... the top pair D.. I do understand that...) I WANT Holl as a 3rd pair D. I think he's the same quality vet D guy, same as Chiarot, that I want matched up with a Johansson, or a Wallinder (if he EVER gets up here to Detroit...). Neither are 1st or 2nd pair D. Unless matched up with a rookie or other young guy on the 2nd pair that needs a steady partner to talk/help them get through NHL play. IMO. I don't get the abject hatred of Holl. It just doesn't make sense to me. Just my 2 cents. (EDIT: Fixed a bunch of grammar/keying errors...)

Or for that matter, is Hamonic?

Is ASP good enough? Your opinion, please.

Knee-jerk conservatism rather than calculated risk-taking. IMO.

Call up Wallinder. Send Hamonic down and call up Holl. 1st pair Chiarot-Seider 2nd pair Johansson-ASP 3rd pair Wallinder-Holl And if they REALLY wanted to get crazy, throw Wallinder right out into the top pair with Mo and tell him he has to play defense 1st. Wallinder-Seider Chiarot-ASP Johansson-Holl. I like that even better simply because Chiarot is not on the top pair. Heck, let's just see what happens...

Send down Soderblom (what is he doing for the team right now anyways...?) And call up Wallinder. Just a few games to let him get his feet wet and see what the NHL is all about. Until Simon gets back. It'll pay off in the future... IMO.

Hamonic is worse than JBD. Right now, and I mean right after this game, I wanna send Hamonic down to GR and call up Holl. Holl was never this (Hamonic) bad... He didn't play well last year... But as a 3rd pair defensive RHD, Holl is good enough. Better than Hamonic. And let JBD work on his game some more...

Or maybe it was just a mirage.

A vision of a dream of an outline of a concept of a plan.

So, keying on this part: What are our options? Or who is the best trade target for us? ... That is available, and whom the other team will take on Harris (plus whatever else is required...).

Memphis says "No, we're not trading JJJ." Utah says "No, we're not trading Markkanen." Milwaukee says: "OK, we'll do a Myles Turner for Harris trade. We'll need 'this' 'this' and 'this'. " A) If we can't get JJJ or Markkanen... would we have interest in a Harris for Turner trade? B) What would that trade look like that both Detroit and the Bucks both say "yes, that works." ... ?

Donald J. Trump AND HIS MAGA supporters... Kissing Putin's boots... Again.

But you still have a dependency problem. TDS or Trump Dependency Syndrome tells me you still have something... Out of equilibrium. The first step is admitting you have a problem. That's always the hardest step (the first one). You should go see a psychiatrist. IMO.

Let me amend that (I'm probably STUCK on Buehler being a REALLY good pitcher 5 years ago...) 1st choice for reclamation starting pitchers (IMO) are Manoah and Zac Gallen. THEN Buehler (maybe) if Harris can't land one of those 1st choices...

I would like to test these weapons myself... On the people who take these pictures... Just to see if they work properly that is... RAT-a-TAT-TAT!!! Hmm, these weapons seem to be working exactly as they intended! "2nd A For-EVER!!!" YEAH BUDDY!!!

I think you missed one... I added it in... Tell me if I am wrong on that account...

You need to lay off the drugs or your TDS (Trump DEPENDENCY Syndrome) will never heal. It's Trump and the Republicans who are running around in circles. You can't see straight anymore, can you?

I'd prefer Manoah and Buehler.

Ewww! ****ing gross me out! MAGA changes their death threats to requests for autographs?

Insider trading going to hit the fan? Her husband was the #1 visitor to Epstein's island?

Same here.

I'm certain he does.

You VOTED for a PEDO. All your fine talk about "Morals" is what would be called HYPOCRISY. You are the very definition of a hypocrite. In case you didn't know that.

I hope Harris shoots for higher. Less expensive shots at potential depth are fine... but at least 1 or 2 or 3 higher end adds... Please.