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I believe CJ complained that he was just getting back the bonus $$$ he had been forced to give up and was against that... It seems the simple solution would be for the two sides to negotiate and if it ends up as $1.8M or $2.4M for 3 years, or whatever, to make appearances... that the two sides could get to some type of agreement that would allow both sides to save face/ move on/ get to a comfortable safe space and: That would be better for both the Org/ CJ in an all-encompassing way...

So that currently looks like Raymond-Larkin-Bertuzzi... which has looked world-beating at times... And if Tuz or Raymond is out... that probably means shift Vrana up a line (when he becomes available) and just "make-do" on the 2nd line with Fabbri-Veleno-Zadina instead? The Red Wings: Need. More. Good. Players.

Specifically... If you call a TO on 3rd down, you can run TWO plays out of the TO... IE: If we don't make a 1st and it's 4th and short "run this play", and if 4th and long "run this play". If we make a 1st then "run this play". After the 3rd down, THEN you might be able to catch the D off-guard by running up to the line without a huddle and firing off a quick play...

I've gotten into purchasing the complete series of some shows just to have it on hand and available whenever I want it. (Especially if it is no longer on Netflix). One dastardly example is Star Trek Voyager, which I was just in the middle of season 3 when they cancelled it on Netflix so I bought the complete series to finish it at my convenience... I like the personal library aspect of it... and the lack of commercials. So series I never saw or only a few episodes that I never had time to follow up on: The Americans. Mad Men. Two series that I really want to see (both then & now) but never had the time... I bought the complete set and, some day, will spend the time to watch everything.

Watching the Series of Unfortunate Events from Netflix (season 2) right now. And also ready to jump into Fargo season 3...

Same here. Veleno is not a world-beater with speed, etc... but I think he could be effective between the two of them. I'm just searching for another effective line that can actually be dangerous scoring points other than Larkin's line. We've been stuck on one effective line for quite a few years. I have a hard... errr... I would be very excited to see what a Vrana-Veleno-Zadina line could do. Starting with the Zadina-Vrana chemistry... PS: And I'm perfectly fine leaving Raymond on Larkin's line...

I don't see the difference, with regards to the current admin (both coaches and Admin). I don't agree with this. IMO, regardless of the record, even if 0-17... both coaches and admin will get a couple of years to (A) fix the talent level of the team and (B) Coach them up. I watched Sundays game (as much as I could stomach) and Goff's plentiful errors shouldn't land on the coaches; Swift lining up on the line instead of off... is that coaching, or Swift making a mental error? Same with 10 men on the field: coaches, or did a player screw up? A lot of the mental errors or hitting the wrong gap, etc.: coaches, or inferior players making mistakes? And to someone else's point: Campbell feels like he has to take extra aggressive measures (all the 4th down attempts, instead of a few that should have been points (FG's) taken) due to the inferior roster. There are some mental or other coaching errors... but I think they get the same two years to fix all of those as the Admin gets to fix the roster. IMO.

If the Lions win a game this year... the only game I see them having a chance at is the Thanksgiving game against the Bears, Nov. 25th. So for their 1st, and only win of the season: 11/25 Bears. Home against the Vikings is their next best chance... two losses there and I see 0-17 for the year. PS: This team is coming much more clearly into focus... obviously.

Just kidding... I knew what you were saying... But it came out funny... Either from: Auto-edit or... extensive alcohol consumption.

WUT?!

But they're going to win 9 games this year... right?

Need Vrana to push Fabbri down to the 3rd line... I'd be interested in seeing a Vrana-Veleno-Zadina line... If/Whenever that could happen.

I hope he gets BOOED right out of the stadium.

Quit LYING about what I posted Buddha. NOWHERE did I say draft a late round QB for a big return. SHOW ME where I said that. I said IF WILLIS FALLS TO OUR LATER 1st ROUND PICK AND OUR SCOUTS BELIEVE HE COULD TURN INTO A STAR THAN DRAFT HIM. You know, sort of like LAMAR JACKSON, or STEVE WALSH, for two examples. AND IF CJ STROUD FALLS TO OUR DRAFT POSITION IN THE 2023 DRAFT AND WE THINK HE IS A FRANCHISE QB THEN DRAFT HIM. As opposed to Buddha's list, QB's scouted and developed correctly (LOL at only 1 or 2... backups have worth in the NFL too, not just franchise QB's). And I think your statement to NOT draft a later round QB is asinine: 2019 Draft (drafted round-position): 2-42 Drew Lock (just a backup) 6-178 Gardner Minshew (a damn fine backup so far. Could turn into more than that?) (BUT BUDDHA is way TOO FREAKING TERRIFIED to draft a post 1st round QB... because...) 2018 Draft (drafted round-position): 1-32 Lamar Jackson (SUPERSTAR!!!) Would you trade a couple 1sts to get him on the Lions? Yeah, I thought so... 2016 Draft (drafted round-position): 4-35 Dak Prescott (EXCELLENT STARTER) (Buddha would NOT DRAFT Dak though... because...?) 2014 Draft (drafted round-position): 1-32 Teddy Bridgewater (a decent starter, but not for a playoff-level team?) 2-36 Derek Carr (same, a good starter, but not for a playoff-level team?) 2-62 Jimmy Garrapolo (excellent backup & sometimes starter.) 5-164 AJ McCarron (backup) 2012 Draft (drafted round-position): 3-75 Russell Wilson (EXCELLENT STARTER, Championship level QB... but... Buddha would NOT DRAFT Russell... because...?) 3-88 Nick Foles (Won a Super Bowl, and SB MVP?) 4-102 Kirk Cousins (took over for RGIII and became an excellent starter.. but not a SB winner...) 2011 Draft (drafted round-position): 2-35 Andy Dalton (a fine starter, but not a SB guy) 2-36 Kaepernick (OK starter for awhile...) 2008 Draft (drafted round-position): 1-18 Joe Flacco (EXCELLENT STARTER, Championship level QB... that FELL to the 18th pick.) 2005 Draft (drafted round-position): 1-24 Aaron Rodgers (SUPERSTAR!!!) Would a team have traded a couple 1sts for get him in 2006 or 2007? Yeah, I thought so... 6-213 Derek Anderson (NOT WORTH DRAFTING... RIGHT BUDDHA?) 7-230 Matt Cassel (NOT WORTH DRAFTING... RIGHT BUDDHA?) 7-250 Ryan Fitzpatrick (NOT WORTH DRAFTING... RIGHT BUDDHA?)

If you're paying me 50 cents to go see your "crappy Lions" museum: Sure, when I'm in town... Depending on my schedule...

Did you mean 50 cents?

Wrong on both counts. The Cowboys drafted both Aikman and Walsh in the 1st round because Walsh was a vastly underdrafted QB prospect (they thought). NOT because they thought Aikman was terrible. And Walsh had proven NOTHING when they traded him for two 1sts and a 3rd. How about when the Redskins drafted RGIII in the 1st, and Kirk Cousins in the 4th, of the same draft... how did that work out for them? If you want to go ahead and draft QB's like the Cleveland Browns did the past 10 years, go for it. But I prefer the Cowboys or Packers models...

OT Win!!! Sweet!!!

Maybe for about two minutes out of the 14 that he'll be on the ice...

He would either be the Wizard's RH man or the Bad Witch's RH man. Take your pick. Probably better as Alley's RH man and they could constantly be getting into nasty spats... I'd like to see that actually...

I went Waltz because he's the intellectual.. in a weird sort of way. Perfect for a QT Scarecrow. Pitt would be the perfect guy to say: "What the fuck am I doing in this tin can? Let me the fuck out!" Fits your second point. Questionable heart too... Groggins would be perfect for "does he have courage", "I just need some courage", "Oh, I actually already AM courageous!"... I don't think Pitt actually fits that.. and fits better into "does he have a heart". (Which could be left as an unanswered question here...). Also... instead of two sides of the same coin that you went for... I went for the sweet, sweet as sugar contrast versus a grotesque (I think she is, anyways) nasty nasty Kirstie. Maybe QT could talk her into some F-bombs... Alba would stick out like a sore thumb in a QT movie. But I would love that contrast... Yep. Alley.

Couple other points: Josh Rosen is a shitty QB. That tells me my scouts were way off base. Not that my GM has a problem trading a QB for a good return but, rather, we drafted the wrong QB. I'm not interested in drafting Rosen, nor do I hope that the Lions scouts advise drafting Rosen. I'm not recommending drafting the wrong QB. What I am recommending is drafting a falling QB that can vastly outperform his draft position. Second, because the QB position is so fraught and unpredictable (especially coming out of college and how they will actually adapt to the NFL...), there is STILL nothing wrong with drafting both Willis and Stroud: (a) if in position to do so, and (b) if your scouts believe both will turn into franchise QB's. If you're right, trade one for a big return. If injuries happen, still have a starter, and if your scouts mess up, yes, you have Josh Rosen, but again, that's a scouting/ drafting problem, not a value problem. The other closest thing to the above is the Packers who, by various means ended up with high-demand backup QB's who they traded for more than their acquisition cost: Matt Hasselback, Aaron Brooks... and I thought there was a 3rd one...? Fun fact: In the draft that the Lions selected Dan Orlovsky in the 5th round... in the 6th and 7th rounds of that draft, there were the following QB's selected: Matt Cassel, Ryan FitzPatrick and Derek Anderson.

I don't think has happened more than once or twice... The closest I can remember is when the Cowboys drafted both Troy Aikman (1-1) and Steve Walsh (supplemental 1-29) in 1989. They then traded Walsh to the 49'ers in late 1990 for their 1st and 3rds in 1991 and a conditional 2nd (turned into a 1st based on performance) in 1992. So two 1sts and a 3rd for Steve Walsh.

Or the 2022 late 1st QB we drafted develops into a capable starting QB and instead of trading for "pennies on the dollar" we trade him for two 1sts and a 3rd. Because teams are always looking for QB's, right? And it's not like what I suggested is unheard of or has never happened before. If we draft Willis using our late 2022 1st and CJ Stroud using our high 2023 1st... I'm not going to cry, or whinge about it. Let the better man win the starting spot. And the backup get traded for a king's ransom.

PS: I'm picking Jessica Alba as the Good Witch though, and Kirstie Alley as the Bad Witch. I like Samuel L. as the Wizard.