1984Echoes

WUT?!

But they're going to win 9 games this year... right?

Need Vrana to push Fabbri down to the 3rd line... I'd be interested in seeing a Vrana-Veleno-Zadina line... If/Whenever that could happen.

I hope he gets BOOED right out of the stadium.

Quit LYING about what I posted Buddha. NOWHERE did I say draft a late round QB for a big return. SHOW ME where I said that. I said IF WILLIS FALLS TO OUR LATER 1st ROUND PICK AND OUR SCOUTS BELIEVE HE COULD TURN INTO A STAR THAN DRAFT HIM. You know, sort of like LAMAR JACKSON, or STEVE WALSH, for two examples. AND IF CJ STROUD FALLS TO OUR DRAFT POSITION IN THE 2023 DRAFT AND WE THINK HE IS A FRANCHISE QB THEN DRAFT HIM. As opposed to Buddha's list, QB's scouted and developed correctly (LOL at only 1 or 2... backups have worth in the NFL too, not just franchise QB's). And I think your statement to NOT draft a later round QB is asinine: 2019 Draft (drafted round-position): 2-42 Drew Lock (just a backup) 6-178 Gardner Minshew (a damn fine backup so far. Could turn into more than that?) (BUT BUDDHA is way TOO FREAKING TERRIFIED to draft a post 1st round QB... because...) 2018 Draft (drafted round-position): 1-32 Lamar Jackson (SUPERSTAR!!!) Would you trade a couple 1sts to get him on the Lions? Yeah, I thought so... 2016 Draft (drafted round-position): 4-35 Dak Prescott (EXCELLENT STARTER) (Buddha would NOT DRAFT Dak though... because...?) 2014 Draft (drafted round-position): 1-32 Teddy Bridgewater (a decent starter, but not for a playoff-level team?) 2-36 Derek Carr (same, a good starter, but not for a playoff-level team?) 2-62 Jimmy Garrapolo (excellent backup & sometimes starter.) 5-164 AJ McCarron (backup) 2012 Draft (drafted round-position): 3-75 Russell Wilson (EXCELLENT STARTER, Championship level QB... but... Buddha would NOT DRAFT Russell... because...?) 3-88 Nick Foles (Won a Super Bowl, and SB MVP?) 4-102 Kirk Cousins (took over for RGIII and became an excellent starter.. but not a SB winner...) 2011 Draft (drafted round-position): 2-35 Andy Dalton (a fine starter, but not a SB guy) 2-36 Kaepernick (OK starter for awhile...) 2008 Draft (drafted round-position): 1-18 Joe Flacco (EXCELLENT STARTER, Championship level QB... that FELL to the 18th pick.) 2005 Draft (drafted round-position): 1-24 Aaron Rodgers (SUPERSTAR!!!) Would a team have traded a couple 1sts for get him in 2006 or 2007? Yeah, I thought so... 6-213 Derek Anderson (NOT WORTH DRAFTING... RIGHT BUDDHA?) 7-230 Matt Cassel (NOT WORTH DRAFTING... RIGHT BUDDHA?) 7-250 Ryan Fitzpatrick (NOT WORTH DRAFTING... RIGHT BUDDHA?)

If you're paying me 50 cents to go see your "crappy Lions" museum: Sure, when I'm in town... Depending on my schedule...

Did you mean 50 cents?

Wrong on both counts. The Cowboys drafted both Aikman and Walsh in the 1st round because Walsh was a vastly underdrafted QB prospect (they thought). NOT because they thought Aikman was terrible. And Walsh had proven NOTHING when they traded him for two 1sts and a 3rd. How about when the Redskins drafted RGIII in the 1st, and Kirk Cousins in the 4th, of the same draft... how did that work out for them? If you want to go ahead and draft QB's like the Cleveland Browns did the past 10 years, go for it. But I prefer the Cowboys or Packers models...

OT Win!!! Sweet!!!

Maybe for about two minutes out of the 14 that he'll be on the ice...

He would either be the Wizard's RH man or the Bad Witch's RH man. Take your pick. Probably better as Alley's RH man and they could constantly be getting into nasty spats... I'd like to see that actually...

I went Waltz because he's the intellectual.. in a weird sort of way. Perfect for a QT Scarecrow. Pitt would be the perfect guy to say: "What the fuck am I doing in this tin can? Let me the fuck out!" Fits your second point. Questionable heart too... Groggins would be perfect for "does he have courage", "I just need some courage", "Oh, I actually already AM courageous!"... I don't think Pitt actually fits that.. and fits better into "does he have a heart". (Which could be left as an unanswered question here...). Also... instead of two sides of the same coin that you went for... I went for the sweet, sweet as sugar contrast versus a grotesque (I think she is, anyways) nasty nasty Kirstie. Maybe QT could talk her into some F-bombs... Alba would stick out like a sore thumb in a QT movie. But I would love that contrast... Yep. Alley.

Couple other points: Josh Rosen is a shitty QB. That tells me my scouts were way off base. Not that my GM has a problem trading a QB for a good return but, rather, we drafted the wrong QB. I'm not interested in drafting Rosen, nor do I hope that the Lions scouts advise drafting Rosen. I'm not recommending drafting the wrong QB. What I am recommending is drafting a falling QB that can vastly outperform his draft position. Second, because the QB position is so fraught and unpredictable (especially coming out of college and how they will actually adapt to the NFL...), there is STILL nothing wrong with drafting both Willis and Stroud: (a) if in position to do so, and (b) if your scouts believe both will turn into franchise QB's. If you're right, trade one for a big return. If injuries happen, still have a starter, and if your scouts mess up, yes, you have Josh Rosen, but again, that's a scouting/ drafting problem, not a value problem. The other closest thing to the above is the Packers who, by various means ended up with high-demand backup QB's who they traded for more than their acquisition cost: Matt Hasselback, Aaron Brooks... and I thought there was a 3rd one...? Fun fact: In the draft that the Lions selected Dan Orlovsky in the 5th round... in the 6th and 7th rounds of that draft, there were the following QB's selected: Matt Cassel, Ryan FitzPatrick and Derek Anderson.

I don't think has happened more than once or twice... The closest I can remember is when the Cowboys drafted both Troy Aikman (1-1) and Steve Walsh (supplemental 1-29) in 1989. They then traded Walsh to the 49'ers in late 1990 for their 1st and 3rds in 1991 and a conditional 2nd (turned into a 1st based on performance) in 1992. So two 1sts and a 3rd for Steve Walsh.

Or the 2022 late 1st QB we drafted develops into a capable starting QB and instead of trading for "pennies on the dollar" we trade him for two 1sts and a 3rd. Because teams are always looking for QB's, right? And it's not like what I suggested is unheard of or has never happened before. If we draft Willis using our late 2022 1st and CJ Stroud using our high 2023 1st... I'm not going to cry, or whinge about it. Let the better man win the starting spot. And the backup get traded for a king's ransom.

PS: I'm picking Jessica Alba as the Good Witch though, and Kirstie Alley as the Bad Witch. I like Samuel L. as the Wizard.

Getting too close to my bedtime for my brain to be working properly and come up with my own picks... But I would say this: I think you've got the three "characters" all mixed up. Waltz should be the Scarecrow, Pitt the Tin Man, and Goggins the Cowardly Lion. Just going by your selections...

Nope. Thibodeaux. Willis will fall to our second 1st round pick. At the top of the 2nd: Best WR: Treylon Burks or Justyn Ross or Chris Olave (whoever falls...)

FALSE. She was crawling through a broken glass door with Pence, Congressman, and Senators just on the other side. Trump's insurrectionist supporters were there to murder Pence, Senators, and Congressman. He did NOT shoot into the crowd. He aimed at the fascist infiltrating assassin. She deserved to die.

Sorry to steal yours Randy... but I couldn't resist: Mize with late movement Splitter on fire once again Batters' hang-dog looks

I'm confused.

But does he have the will to succeed?

You mean the fascist fucking scumbag cunt that tried to overthrow our Democracy? She, and anyone who supports her, can go fuck themselves, and rot in hell for all eternity. Right?

A Trump boot-licking sycophant from the old forum.

However... I think Veleno needs to be up sooner rather than later as, again, Larkin's line is the scoring line and there is precious little after that... somehow the Wings are going to have to find more scoring on the 2nd and 3rd lines...