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My guess would be more along the lines of: Some of the vets are asking for more than they are worth, based on age and where they are in their career... When those prices come down to a more reasonable level (no guarantees that they actually will... I'm just sayin') that is when Brad will strike a deal with another veteran player at a position of need. Let's use Decker as an example: Brad wanted him to take less, Decker says no, believing he can make the same salary as last year out on the open market... Now he's a FA... still unsigned. After the draft, when a raft of other veterans are given their release... Do the asking prices of the Taylor Decker's, and Cameron Jordan's, come down. I believe this is an annual "yes". Brad might sign Cam Jordan to be our starter at DE opposite Hutch. Or Decker for 1 more year as our LT. That might not happen until we are far closer to the end of May-ish, or so... That's why we are stuck in Purgatory (WAITING for these offseason moves to actually happen) where nothing happens until... it happens. Not on our time schedule. Theirs. Sucks to be stuck in this "purgatory" just waiting for **** to happen.., right? I'm trying to stay patient also but... it still sucks to wait... Waiting... Waiting... Waiting... (We don't have a choice though. NFL offseason purgatory it is for us...).

You voted to **** Ukraine and boot-lick Russia/ Vladimir MF'ing Putin. You voted to overthrow the Constitution of the United States and put in place a Benedict Arnold Traitor (yes, that would be Trump) fascist dictatorship into place, overthrowing our Democracy. The guy who engineered a coup attempt against the United States of America. You have NO room to talk... Whatsoever.

... the Carolina Panthers decided to use him out in space as a coverage OLB'er... at 6' 5" 258 #'s. I'm pretty certain the Panthers use a 3-4 base. Maybe he isn't the same and will never get back to his Minny productivity days again. I believe Minny used him as a 4-3 DE? But I also think there's a chance the Panthers were playing him out of position and that if there is ANY chance he gets to be more productive, it's as a 4-3 DE, not as a 3-4 OLB'er. Which, btw, is what the Lions run (a 4-3). And he STILL might never get back to being as productive as he was in Minny. But as a depth guy... I think it's perfectly fine to take this chance on him, at this cost. No, he's not that kind of pass-rusher. I think most are hoping that this is true (bolded part... "not the guy who gets the most snaps opposite Hutch"...). Which is why most on here (I believe) still want another veteran signed (Epenesa/ Jordan/ I forget the 3rd player still unsigned that would fit here...) who is BETTER than Wonnum. AND I think most on this board STILL want to use a 1st or 2nd on ANOTHER DE (such as Faulk or Zion Young or...) to add to that room even IF we sign another guy. I don't think anyone is against what you are saying. I would just say: I don't think Brad is finished. And no one on here WANTS him to be finished. So, I guess in summary... what I am most saying is... have a little more patience. Brad ain't finished yet... tinkering with this roster. Specifically at the DE position. IMO.

He's a special teams guy... Played 65% of Dallas's ST snap counts the past two years. Deep SAM depth but so deep we hopes he never sees a D snap. Not even a rotation guy. Just ST's and the deepest part of defensive depth. Just my 2 cents.

That would be a nice plus.

Yes.

That would be spectacularly hilarious! Wait a second... NOT funny? Funny? Not funny? I can't decide... I don't know who to root for here. But if Venezuela (after capturing Trump) demands, and receives, a new US Administration under... Baraq Obama... I think I vote yes. But... What a weird place to be in at the moment!

From people who are searching for any possible way to put him down and therefore because he had one injury they are going to use that to the fullest... Or at least that's what it looks like to me.

I don't think Wonnum has ever been a 3.25 ERA guy. More like a 3.80 to 4.40 ERA guy... Who had an injury 3 years ago and a slow recovery (infection I believe) 2 years ago but started in 15 of 16 games last year. For the Carolina Panthers. Who played him out in space as a 6' 5" 258 OLB'er. In coverage. So they decided he would be better as a "Closer" than as an "innings-eating" mid-rotation guy. Seems smart to me. What do the Lions want with him? To play him at DE opposite Hutch, not as the star, or starter, but as the "innings eating" mid-rotation guy. Someone who is good at setting the edge against the run and can "run into" several sacks when the QB is trying to "get the **** away from that Hutch dude...". What is Wonnum's forte? Setting the edge at DE against the run. And walking into a few sacks when the QB is running for his life away from a DE like Hutch. It seems to me the Lions want Wonnum to be a mid-rotation "innings eating" 4.00 ERA guy who stabilizes the rotation. The rotation. Part of a rotation. Hmmm... I don't think we need anything more from Wonnum than to be a mid-rotation "innings-eater" 4.00 ERA guy. Sort of like... Exactly what he is. IMO.

PS: I am NOT going to say that it is going to happen (overthrowing the IRGC/ Basij forces)... Or that it is NOT going to happen (like I did in my original post...) But, rather, I am going to say... "Hmmmm....".

I'm going to go back to this... The only way the Iranian populace rises up to attempt a regime change... Is if the IRGC and Basij can be overthrown... otherwise, no chance. Here is what is going on right now and for the past two weeks: Israel is hunting down Iranian regime members in their hideouts, one by one Quick Summary: US and IDF forces are dividing Iranian targets. US attacking all military infrastructure... Israel (IDF) using all of its Iranian intelligence to eliminate IRGC and Basij leadership. Not just governmental leaders, revolutionary military forces/leadership. At least a couple thousand IRGC/ Basij deaths, wild guesstimate... Again, if there is any chance of a regime change... this is what it would look like at the beginning. Israel has the intelligence, and the weaponry... to conduct just this type of war.

I wouldn't call it a hole as Ratko has... But I am all for adding depth/ competition here just like any other position... So I think Holmes will target at least 1 TE in the draft. There's always the practice squad for guys who just miss but the team wants to develop as a future contributor to the team... A lot of our later draft picks this year (the ones that Holmes actually uses on a player...) I think are going to end up on a practice squad. Ours, or someone else's...

No, there are still guys out there right now, who could fill some of the holes you've mentioned. I don't know if there is an "official" end to the 2nd wave of free agency... Or just, as long as there are guys out there before the draft, the door should "figuratively" remain "open". Personally, I'm less focused on where we are, right now, then where we end up, just before training camp. Or at least a month or so after the draft when all the new wave (3rd wave?) of veteran releases have signed with teams... Or Detroit/ Holmes says "we're done, for now...". I mean, there are usually quite a few veteran trades during the draft for a pick that can end up helping a team. There are all the guys that are out there right now. There are all the vets that get released within two weeks after the draft as teams strip themselves (cap-wise) down a bit. "3rd wave of free agency." And there's the draft itself. As far as I can tell... Holmes is being very careful with cap money. He's not going after any big-ticket guys... but, at least it looks like to me... that he's picking up all sorts of capable guys (not world-beaters or flashy toys) at budget/ affordable prices. So I would just keep letting him do his job and I think there is no way to properly assess his off-season performance until we get far enough after this year's draft, and close enough to training camp to see where all the chairs have stopped moving. I also feel like he's picking up better depth guys... And as for the remaining holes on the team, well... We'll see.

Don't we have 9 or 10 picks? Isn't Holmes finding contributing players for the team in almost any round? No... he can use a 1st rounder on LT. And a 2nd rounder on a DE. And two 4th rounders on a secondary guy (CB?) and a TE. And two 5th rounders on a coverage LB'er and another secondary guy (Safety) for depth. And two 6th rounders on a depth between-the-tackles short yardage RB and another secondary guy (Safety?) for depth, or maybe a pass-rush specialist... And for his 7th rounder... well, how about Holmes uses that pick for whatever guy he feels best can help the Lions? Wouldn't that be novel? Just my 2 cents...

He is MORE Kwity Paye and NOT Paschal. IMO.

Boy... you're just going to any lengths possible to **** all over me. I gave multiple answers, all proclaiming him a rotational or depth DE. That I still want a better DE signing like Jordan, to be the starter and keep Wonnum where he belongs, as a depth DE. He's best at being an edge-setter, with some pass-rushing chops. Not a world-beater... just a good depth guy, where last year our depth was nil. Hmmm, who does that remind me of? Oh yeah, Kwity Paye, who I was all over wanting to add him because he would be a good... wait for it: depth DE. But he signed for $48 mill. Yeah, I'm excited for a depth DE (wherein last year we had virtually none) who reminds me a lot of Kwity Paye and costs $6 mill, not $48 mill. So yeah, go ahead and keep ****ting all over my posts and keep telling yourself I like him because the Lions signed him and for no other reason. That's a ****ty comment you made, BTW, in case I haven't mentioned that yet.

You're really trying to sell Wonnum as a scrap heap player. A bargain basement player only... Why is that? Why are you trashing this guy so badly?

And a far superior option to Muhammed.

I'm not going to mistake a defense suffering from a slew of injuries as a bad defense like you are...

Wonnum played in 16 games this past year, starting 15. Whatchu talkin' about Willis?

I think between Detroit's coaches, scheme, and Hutch... That there could actually be some hope for this. But I would wait'n'see. I think he has upside. I think he'll be a good rotational DE for Detroit. Good depth. Anything more than that will be gravy. So... We'll see.

I'm on board with the "MORE DEMS" plan and I don't care if they are red or purple state centrists or blue state progressives. Just get me more Dems... Please. But I get what you are saying...

Then get better players. A one-trick-pony pass-rusher-ONLY is NOT the answer.

PS: I wouldn't say that he "emerged" as much as "survived" the rash of injuries that struck the rest of the line and therefore was available versus... not. They had no choice but to put him on the field.

Muhammed was horse**** against the run, that's why.