1984Echoes

I wouldn't trade down in the 1st... I want the best DE available. Capable of both stopping the run AND rushing the passer. Now in the 2nd round... sure, I'm on board with that. But not our 1st rounder... IMO.

No... I would prefer Manu, Mahogany, Ratledge, Frazier & Sewell... With Glasgow and Decker as backups. But who knows how 2026 will turn out? NO ONE knows. It's only guesswork at this point.

Three new guards counting Mahogany, Ratledge and Frazier. Three that look like they could be really good. Three that the Lions like so much, they believe Ratledge can slide over to Center and become a new Ragnow, even if he wasn't ready for that this year. Also... I don't want to count out Manu yet. Raw as hell, a monster sized dude... Maybe everything will click next year for him. But to Tater's points... I think I would want to quality vets, one Guard and one tackle, that are actually good enough to be starters. Zeitler just as an example although there are other guys that could fit. Ratledge in 2026 could start at Center, Glasgow only as a backup. Zeitler (or similar) is the starter and one of Mahogany/ Frazier is the other starter but... it's possible the loser in that battle could take over the starting spot from Zeitler (or similar) but would have to earn it. And would be the top backup until then... If the vet loses out, then he is the top backup. Same at Tackle. I don't believe like Tater that we have a terrible future O-Line... I just believe 2025 was a bad year and a transition year. But I would like to see capable vets as starters or depth... I believe I am more aligned with MB here... just guessing.

I would like a SP and one more batter for Christmas Santa. Merry Christmas MORANS! Or alternatively (for all us Jews and Muslims and atheists and Buddhists and Hindu and pagans and ...) Happy Holidays!!!

I think everyone got stuck on his .220-ish BA and K's. But I agree... I would take the fielding, I would take the WAR, and I would take the heavy amount of walks that goes along with the HR's and walks and... yes... the .220-ish BA (his OBP was .325-ish...?). Three true outcomes. It's good enough. Especially with today's pitching.

As Dean Palmer I would have wanted him. Especially for only two years. Heck, even as Rob Deer. He's very selective at the plate so it's not as if he would be hit or empty at the plate. And... If Tork falters again, Murakami has actually played a lot of 1B... I'm just sayin'...

Will. Comply.

Not to go all-Mr.-Eternally-Optimistic again... But yeah, hoping they solve the tougher level of NHL play that comes right at and after the trade deadline. And here's where I'll be Mr.-Eternally-Optimistic again: Weirdly... All the types of help we could use to reinforce the Wings for the postseason push, is young, and in Grand Rapids: Fresh goalie playing outstanding: Sebastian Cossa, check. Depth goalie, just in case: Carter Gylander, check. Scoring two-way power forward: Michael Brandon-Nygaard, check. Defensive defenseman: William Wallinder, check. Veteran depth defenseman: Justin Holl, check. (OK, not so young). Defensive defenseman that is chipping in with some offense: Antti Tuomisto, check.

Send him down to Grand Rapids for a restart or recharge... And call up MBN. I don't know if flip-flopping him with Finnie will work... ... maybe? And... I'd rather he make it as a second-line center than regress to a wing... So I hope a GR restart will get him back to that center that played extremely well, last year, in-between Kane & Cat...

And that would be great. Hope he achieves JB's expectations. He's still a tertiary ball-handler though, because he still isn't a PG or backup PG...

The other thing is... If he's the 3rd or 4th star... he doesn't have to be all-world. He only has to be the right guy that meshes with Cade for unstoppable offense. Also: If he has proven that he is worthless without Cade... I still don't know if that says he needs to be jettisoned... he may just need a backup PG that can get him the ball somewhat similarly to Cade... call him... I don't know... how about Andrew Nembhard, just for arguments sake? Start with Cade-Ausar for defense first... and then bring in Nembhard to take over ballhandling from Cade (to give him a breather... not on the bench but a real PG that allows him to play some off-the-ball...). If Nembhard can effectively get the ball to Duren where he scores (effectively) then that resolves the Duren-without-Cade problem. I don't think any other PG on our team has been effective enough in doing that (replacing Cade if injured, enough of a playmaker to keep other players scoring effectively, etc...). I don't want Schroder back. I don't think Ivey has shown he's that guy. And unless Daniss steps up and completely takes over the backup/alternate PG effectively (he did that for about a week), we still have a problem there. The rest of our offense (including Duren) suffers greatly without an effective PG (excluding Cade of course) on the floor. IMO.

He's actually quite agile. (In small areas) and has wicked stick control. I think... He should be called Phone Booth Man. Like an offensive guard in the NFL or Superman, he's spectacular in many ways (but only inside that phone booth...). He can block out the sun (interfere with goalie's vision), demolition man, put a brick unmovable building (himself) in front of the goalie, and can stick handle from anywhere from just outside the crease out to (the point...?) 15 feet or so from the goalie and put the puck wherever it needs to go (into the goal... or a pass to the guy that has the best shot at a goal...). He should NOT be the first guy back the other way to stop a scoring chance or odd man rush... and it will be OK if he's the last man back on defense if his starting point is just outside the opposite goalie's crease or behind his net... he's just NOT that first (or second or...) guy back on defense. IMO. So... Demolition Man? Or Phone Booth Man?

That's an interesting idea casimir... But could you please keep that under your helmet? I'm not certain the world is ready for this kind of thinking...

I was agreeing to ... Oh, Lee beat me to it. Yes, I was agreeing with you.

If Trump can run in 2028, Obama can run in 2028.

Trump's Pretzel Logic: Most of the oil companies that suffered (lost ALL of their investment and were kicked out of Venezuela) when Hugo Chavez nationalized their oil were American oil companies. Therefore... Maduro "stole" our oil (what we had/owned in Venezuela) and is justification for Trump's actions.

Right there... "Trump - to obtrude or deceive."

Although, as for historical examples: How is MAGA/ ICE/ Oath Keepers/ 3 Percenters any different than Mussolini's Brown Shirts? Hitler forced Hindenburg to dissolve the Reichstag and then burned the Reichstag building in order to put marshal law in place. Trump incited his followers to overthrow the Constitution of the United States, using violence, on January 6th 2021... in order to install himself as fascist dictator. I don't see how Trump's coup attempt on January 6th is any different than what Hitler or Mussolini did. Except failure. Comparing Trump to Mussolini or Hitler is APT. Not TDS @ewsieg ... ACTUAL/ FACTUAL/ APT. Sorry. But TDS applied to a liberal means they are being honest and factual and correct in the assessment of Trump's fascist tendencies and actions and is completely appropriate to compare him to Hitler or Mussolini. TDS applied to MAGA as Trump Dependency Syndrome is FAR more accurate. MAGA has turned into a bunch of boot-licking liars, lickspittles, purveyors of horse ****, violence-loving fascist ****scum that need to be deported to Siberia. TDS. Trump Dependency Syndrome. All the sick-minded white trash bigots and bull****ters, kissing Trump's ass no matter WHAT he does. It's ****ing sickening.

How about them apples?

Incomprehensible.

There will be no agreement... Whatsoever... That makes teams reluctant to bid for free agents. Skubal is a free agent next year. There is no possible way that a new CBA comes out with... Sorry.

PS: If you're talking this year only... Between losses at Green Bay and KC... They won 4 in a row. Is that too far into the Lions' history that winning the last 3 is now an impossibility? That seems to be the point you're making... But I'm just guessing...

Dude... they were 15-2 last year.

... and Hinch, Fetter and Skubal.

PS: I know you were being just a little bit smart aleck there... Kudos! 😉 But I just wanted to answer it straight.