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I don't think this is about Baddoo... I think it's a 100% need for maximum position flexability. IMO.

I don't think this is a "I'm so smart" move at all. It has nothing to do with that. And everything to do with this (plus he has a "hot bat" as well, BABIP-be-damned...): I don't think this is a McKinstry issue either. IMO, it's simply a matter of wanting to play a guy ANY where that they think they "need a guy". If Tork continues his struggles, he'll get some time at 1B. If they wanna give Keith a few days, he'll get some 2B time. If Canha should be DH, he'll be in the OF... I think it is purely an issue of "hot bat" + "flexibility". And with so many guys struggling... IMO, we should be on board with that flexibility... Just sayin'.

But 40 more RBI's... 😉

Beat me to it... But I'm just now catching up...

40 solo HR's.

No... But what I would say is that, even if the Org is still going 5-man rotation (which they are), that: The existing pressure on pitchers to go all out means we'll have a lot more starters going 4-5 innings and not so many going 6-7 anymore. I think that, in and of itself, stresses out a bullpen so much, even with 8 guys in there, that the only way to compensate is to have multiple guys who can pitch multiple innings... which is at least a step towards what you are asking. IE: If a team has 3 guys in a row going 4.1 innings... the stress of trying to cover the 4.2 innings per game left (more or less... depending on circumstances) is too much for even an 8-man staff to bear unless a team has multiple multi-inning relievers. Call them "Middle" or whatever... I made a request in spring training to have several multi-inning guys because I see that as how the league is currently constructed. So if we have three 90-120 innings guys, plus several other 1-inning types... I think that's what it takes to try and get through a 2024 season with the way starters are currently being used. IMO. So... we're about halfway to your position, or question...

Did Israel unconditionally surrender to Hamas yet?

Yes... Short-term due to his age... But a good guy to show the kids what Harris is asking for... A good mentor so to speak... as well as his on-field production...

That is what I am thinking... I also really think Malloy is at least worth a tryout... He may be DH only... and he may not get the walks/OBP in MLB as he has in Toledo... But I'd like to find that out.

Anyways... I think this is the hardest part right now... "Sifting" through all the kids trying to figure out who can cut it and who can't... Manning and Baddoo are right now sitting in Toledo unhappy about where they are at the moment...

I'm not worried about any kind of spending yet... There's still some more "Sifting" to do before we get to external spending decisions... IMO. And I do NOT have a timeline for that... It goes more along the lines of: If we don't have it MLB, or in the minors, or Harris can work a trade for it (it being a "black hole position... let's call it "Shortstop", which is what we have at the moment...): And we are playoff-competitive... Then go and spend the money. Whenever (whatever timeline) that may be...

I'm thinking the first game against Cleveland is going to show what kind of "fight" this team has in them and whether we should climb aboard the 3-3 Hope Train or consign ourselves to a 1-5 road trip expectations... If they wake up and take the 1st game... sure, I'll climb aboard...

I have a different recipe: Do lots more "Sifting". We need to "Sift" through a bunch of the other kids available at Toledo to see who can stick... And who can't. And if a guy can't stick... trade him for something different. (I will now reference my above post with the following trades: Jason Thompson traded for Al Cowens, Steve Kemp traded for Chet Lemon, John Wockenfuss and Glenn Wilson traded for Dave Bergman and Willie Hernandez). The Marlins just traded Luis Arraez (2B, small, high-BA, high OBP, Slash in 6 MLB years: .325, .378, .424 = .803 career OPS) for 4 prospects... If they had offered him to the Tigers for Torkelson straight-up... would anyone here have said "Yes."? Just asking... Food for thought.

Just a reminder: After we "graduated" a ****load of kids from the minors to MLB named: Jason Thompson, Mark Fidrych, Steve Kemp, Phil Mankowski, Bruce Kimm, Bruce Taylor, Lance Parrish, Alan Trammell, Lou Whitaker, Dave Rozema, Tim Corcoran, Steve Baker, Jack Morris, Dan Petry, Mark Wagner, Kip Young, Dave Stegman, Bob Sykes, Dave Tobik, Sheldon Burnside, Lynn Jones, Tom Brookens, Al Greene, Kirk Gibson, Ricky Peters, Dan Gonzalez, Bruce Robbins, Pat Underwood and Mike Chris from 1976-79... We STILL didn't win a World Series until 1984. Sifting through a bunch of kids to see who sticks (for various reasons, Fidrych, Thompson, Kemp, Kimm, Wagner, Young, Sykes, Tobik, Baker, Corcoran, Stegman, Taylor, Jones, Peters, Gonzalez, Robbins, Underwood, Chris, Greene and Mankowski didn't make it to the Championship season)... and who doesn't stick.... is both necessary and... painful. And requires a ****load of patience. (that is a list of ALL the guys we "graduated" from the minors from 1976 to 1979. A whole **** ton of 'em... and most of 'em flopped out or were traded for something different, or disappeared within a few years... Just sayin'...).

PS: Actually... Lockhart looks like a reliever too... At least based on history...

It at least says we have current MLB'ers and some depth at AAA and AA that could fill those roles... The quality of that depth is an unknown though...

Interestingly, the Tigers have a crapload of these guys in the system. Basically, "failed starters"... or guys who are good once through a lineup but get figured out their second time through a lineup and tend to get blasted that 2nd time through: In Detroit: Holton (2), Wentz (2-3) and Faedo (2-3) have shown the ability to pitch 2 or 3 innings at a time. Holton is 50/50 whether he goes 1 or 2 (without checking the actual numbers) and pitched a lot of 2 inning appearances last year IIRC. Wentz is doing OK this year (not so well last year) at a 1.24 WHIP and 0.79 ERA, 11 inn's in 7 appearances. Faedo has the 6th highest innings (after the 5 starters) at 21 in 12 appearances with a 1.14 WHIP and 2.57 ERA. Toledo: Guessing Montero, Flores, Hurter, Brieske (already a middle innings guy, last year with Detroit 1.37 WHIP, 3.60 ERA... so not terrible) head towards multi-innings middle relief guys instead of sticking as starters. Right now they're all struggling a bit in Toledo though... The Org is still high on all these guys though as far as I know... Also: who is good out of these guys versus can't cut it in MLB? Answer: "I don't know." 3rd base. Erie: guessing Troy Melton ends up in the BP as a 2-3-inning guy when he gets higher up. Jaden Hamm at WM is an unknown to me. I don't know what his "stuff" is. He looks good as a starter at WM... what kind of carrying power is that though...? The guys in the Org with the highest chances of remaining a starter (just on a WAG) I am guessing would be Manning, Jobe, and Lockhart. Maybe Hamm?

What did Gage Workman fix all of a sudden? Dropped his switch-hitting and saw Kerry Carpenter's hitting guru in the off-season? I thought I saw someone mention that... Two questions: A) Does that mean Workman gets onto the "prospect radar" all of a sudden? He's always struggled with hit tool... but had power and excellent defense... But is he nothing more than Kreidler 2.0? B) So I guess 3 questions: Can we replace Detroit's hitting coaches with Kerry Carpenter's hitting guru?

Bingo! Thank you very much! Actually... The one thing I would do is: Bat Tork 9th. OR... if Malloy gets called up and Tork gets sent down, again, bat Malloy 9th. Tork would be to drop pressure-to-produce to zero on him. Or if he figures out how to start hitting again he's actually "at the front of the top of the lineup" after the 1st inning... And with Malloy: same thing. Zero pressure at #9, if he is OBP'ing then he's getting on base right in front of the top of the lineup. If it at some point either of these guys is worthy of moving higher up in the lineup then, IMO, that's a decision for a little bit later on. IMO, the right now decision is to put a Tork or a Malloy in the #9 spot, for reasons stated...

Except for, IMO, The 6 RBI's on his 6 HR's. And his ONE HR which actually had men on base. I'm glad you want Greene to lead the league in solo HR's. That's AWESOME!!!

Tork batted a .758 OPS in 2023 in 606 AB's... That is a MUCH longer track record than Wenceel Perez so he should bat (checks: Lee's notes on sabermetrificating the optimizalled lineup): FOURTH!!! Tork should bat FOURTH because he was their THIRD best hitter last year and has a LONGER TRACK RECORD than Wenceel Perez so he: MUST BAT FOURTH!!! (it is so... written in stone...)

I'm on board with this.

And thank you so much for that. I could give a rat's ass if my assumption is antiquated or not.

"He's the second best hitter" was my sarcastic comment to your "4th or 5th best hitter" comment. We're going around in circles...

I am also on board with this. Send Tork and Meadows down, bring up Malloy and Baddoo (or someone else if they want more IF or versatility...). Let them work out their hitting problems at Toledo. It just NEEDS to be done.