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Except... I took a second look and would want to rejigger a couple things: The original (with some thoughts...) 2 (44). Zach Frazier, C, WVU - I like the IDEA of Frazier but I think he's a RANKING problem. Holmes has different ranking criteria and I think he LOVES Barton, JPJ, and McCORMICK. Not Frazier. 2 (61). Braden Fiske, DT, FSU - Yes. 3 (73). Ja’Lynn Polk, WR, Washington - See below. 3 (77). Caelen Carson, CB, Wake Forest - I think Holmes LOVES a couple CB's more than Carson (see below): So I made some "adjustments" to this: After the trade down with the Steelers, I think the draft goes like this: #44 Xavier Legette, WR, 6'1" 220 4.39 40, S Carolina - True X receiver. Big and FAST. TOUGH. Holmes = PERFECT! #61 Braden Fiske, DT, 6'4" 292 4.78 40, FSU - FAST and RELENTLESS. Will be rotational/pass-rusher; Lions Fit = HUGE! #73 Chris Braswell, OLB, 6'3" 255 4.60 40, Alabama - Maxx Crosby wannabe. "Work ethic off-the-charts". Holmes = YES! #77 Mason McCormick, OG/C, 6'4" 310 5.10 40, S Dakota - 10.0 RAS grade as Center. Big, fast, powerful. Dominates the run. Holmes = PERFECT! Right here, I'm going to throw in a curveball: I'm going to trade our 5th, 6th (#201), 7th and a 2025 3rd to the Chargers for their two 4th rounders, #'s 105 and 110. And select: #105 Cam Hart, CB, 6'3" 202 4.50 40, Notre Dame #110 Khyree Jackson, CB/Safety, 6'3" 195 4.50 40, Oregon #205 Will Reichard, K, Alabama

PS: Who did the Raiders pick? Penix?

I LOVE this draft!!!

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I was arguing this most of the year... especially as Copp and Compher proved neither were at a high enough level... Which is what my argument was. Dump these types of salaries... And I would rather spend (1) contract on an upper echelon player at $8 mill +/-, rather than two contracts on middling players like these. So I see our offseason needs as 5-fold (players only needs that is...): Extend Seider and Raymond. Let UFA's walk (and possibly an RFA or two) unless there's a compelling reason to keep them. Drop additional veteran salaries wherever that is possible, as Shinzaki noted a few very eligible candidates above... Sign 1 or 2 "PREMIUM" FA's, two-way players that are not on their last legs and can fit as a top-6 (borderline top-3) forward, with Center/Playmaker an especially acute need, or as a top 2-pairing defenseman. And fill in with kids. I want the youth to lower salaries and for them to start on their NHL learning curves (now, rather than later). I'm ready for Cossa, Mazur, Kasper, Wallinder, Toumisto, and possibly Johansson to start getting NHL ice time, as much as is possible... because they are going to have to go through learning curves... That also means there are a lot of movable vets on the Wings roster (UFA's RFA's, or trades), IMO. And higher level FA's which means more AAV and fewer players, as opposed to quantity of middling salaries/middling players. Too many middling salaries/ middling players can both kill a team's cap as well as kill a team's growth potential/ upside... as others have pointed out.

Woohoo!!! Been high on him for quite awhile... Probably right after they drafted him...

I forget which: Walter Football or Bleacher Report... has Legette mocked to the Lions at 61. At this point... I'm ready to expect anything because like every draft... players inexplicably fall that weren't supposed to, surprises are taken higher than anyone thought all over the draft... so I'm just placing my guesses and wherever the chips fall in the real draft... We'll see. PS: Brian Branch was supposed to be a 1st rounder (I thought a top-15/20 guy) and the Lions snagged him in the 2nd. That was a bit of a shocker to me, but it happened. PPS: Even if it's not Legette, this draft is loaded with receivers so (a) someone is going to fall to the Lions at 61, simply by the numbers, (b) I actually agree with you you, I have a hard time seeing Legette as the WR that falls to that spot... and (c) Again, with WR so loaded this year, I think an extremely talented WR will be there at 61, no matter whom that is. But my preference is definitely Legette over all the other names (😉) ... The only guy I like more is Adonai Mitchell in the 1st.

Chiarot was a positive this year but I don't trust him. He was atrocious the year before, and is not getting younger at 33 next year. I don't see a need to keep him if the top 2 are Walman and Edvinsson, and the bottom 2 can be filled in with Maatta, and possibly a Wallinder or Johansson, or both. As you said, it's time to start reaping the benefits of the system that Yzerman has built. To me... that's making Cap decisions this year. And moving on from certain players. I am eager to push multiple vets out the door, and bring in kids instead, and to me, that means Chiarot is out the door. Walman & Edvinsson are top 2 pair next year, IMO... We want Chiarot as 3rd pair D? Why?

I hope that's a lesson learned from this season. That you can't just give away a game, or points. They fought like crazy for points this past week... That's my impression. But they missed the playoffs so... I'm hoping they understand that next year by playing "Playoff Level" hockey the last month or two of the season instead of the last week or two. They need to fight harder for points.

If he somehow was able to gain some extra picks in the top 3 rounds... and the RB's are falling... I could see him using a 3rd round pick on Benson or Brooks if they fall that far... With just 3 picks in the top 3, I think there are O-Lineman who will be ranked higher on his board... But I wouldn't put it past him if he were able to get another pick or two to use...

That's what I was hearing too from what he said. But there's a critical part to that: The hitter actually has to cause some damage with those early swings. If all he does is swing and miss, or produce a crap load of ground ball outs... Pitchers will know they can challenge a guy right off because he's not doing anything anyways... So no need to dance around the corners.

If I had to put money on it... Cooper DeJean in the 1st. Xavier Legette in the 2nd. Chris Braswell in the 3rd. After that... I'll leave it up to Holmes to find 5th/6th/7th rounders that he likes. 😉 Although with one of those I'd like a kicker. I like Josh Karty the most with a huge leg, 56 yards his longest this past year, 4-7 from beyond 50 and 7-7 in the 40-49 range. But just guessin'...

The solution is simple: Lead him off instead. I'm guessing Hinch is NOT doing that because he's slow on the base paths? Sometimes that's just gotta be ignored and putting a hitter where he best performs (Canha leading off, Greene batting 2nd) has to take precedence. Just my 2 cents...

That's fine. No worries... You have your ideas and I have mine...

Trying to equate a nation going to war against the perpetrators of a terrorist act, With the terrorist act... Is pretty heinous. IMO.

Israel is NOT playing by terrorists rules. They are playing by the international rules of engagement. A hospital is no longer granted sanctuary if combatants are shooting at enemy soldiers from a hospital. That hospital is no longer a hospital, it is a military compound. An architect of a terrorist act against my country, such as 9/11, or Oct 7th for Israel, cannot hide behind the Taliban in a foreign country. Cannot hide behind the sanctuary of an enemies country. Cannot walk the streets with impunity. My country will declare war against a foreign country that provides sanctuary for said terrorist. This has already been established as precedent. And it is internationally accepted as a nation's duty to protect its citizens. A terrorism architect cannot hide in a foreign country's compound, in any location that an assassin (IE: Mossad) can get to him, cannot hide inside of a military annex to an embassy... Without retribution. If you (general "you" to the world, not a "you" to anyone specifically here...) commit an act of terrorism against my country, I will (or my countries military forces or secret agents...) will kill (general... terrorist) you. There is no moral relativity here. Murder my citizens and there will be retribution. Where is the moral relativity?

Bingo! You win!

I think that is pretty much what we are looking at. I'm going to make a couple of adjustments if you don't mind, using your post: First Round: But also probably top-20-ish or, costly to trade up for... 1. Brian Thomas Jr./WR - I think he's the next guy after the top 3 so just a guess: he won't make it past 20, and will be costly to trade up for. I see close to 0% chance Holmes would make a move up for him. First Round: Players more likely to be there for the Lions at 29. Or at least mid-20's so if it's the last guy on Holmes list, he may make a move up for one of these guys: 5. Cooper DeJean/CB - I think this guy is REAL high on the best talent/ best Lions type-of-player fit. 6. Adonai Mitchell/WR - I think this is the one WR who may fall to around our #29 spot that Holmes would ALSO consider drafting. Every other WR, IMO, is no higher than a high 2nd. 7. Graham Barton/OG/OC - I think this guy is ALSO REAL high on the best talent/ best Lions type-of-player fit. 8. Jackson Powers-Johnson/OG/OC - SAME. 9. Chop Robinson/Edge - The one guy with AMAZING athleticism that they might take a chance on. Wasn't as productive as his measurables in college which is the one thing that would give me pause. Do they love him, and does he have enough grit? Maybe they take that chance. If there's not enough there, Holmes passes. N/A. Nate Wiggins/CB - which is why I have these two CB's here. They don't tackle well. Which means I don't think they're even on the Lions board, or are downgraded quite a bit, to 2nd or 3rd round? I don't think the Lions love either of these guys (and watch the Lions draft one of them and I'm a liar...). N/A. Kool-Aid McKinstry/CB - 2nd of two not-a-tackler = persona non grata CB. INJ. Laiatu Latu/Edge - I give him an Injury Grade. I know he was passed medically. But, personally, I don't want to take that chance and I don't want the Lions to take that chance. Don't know what Holmes thinks about that... Second Round (most of these guys are upper half of the 2nd so at #61 they might not be in position, Trice maybe): 1. Zach Frazier/IOL 2. Keon Coleman/WR 3. Jonah Ellis/Edge 4. Ladd McConkey/WR 5. TJ Tampa/CB 6. Bralen Trice/Edge Other guys I think they'll consider in the 2nd: Chris Braswell/Marshawn Kneeland-Edge-Rusher; Xavier Legette/Troy Franklin/Roman Wilson/Ja'Lynn Polk-WR, Braden Fiske/ Johnny Newton/ Michael Hall Jr./ Kris Jenkins-DT's, Darius Robinson-DT/DE, Kingsley Suamataia-OT. I don't know the 2nd round talent as well as the 1st rounders for having a "Lions type of personality"... But there's a lot of talent there, and also just sliding out of the 2nd and into #73 (our 3rd rounder) to feel like Holmes will be able to grab 3 players that we will come to love in future years...

This is what I can respect. Not... quibbling.

I would have ABSOLUTELY ZERO pause killing Bin Laden in an Iranian embassy in Iran, or Syria, or Pakistan... And I think most Americans would be upset if any President said: "Sorry, we had a chance at Bin Laden in an embassy annex primarily occupied by Al Qaeda personnel, including Bin Laden, .... but we passed because it was a military annex of an embassy in a different country." In fact... I think you would be upset about that too. But if not... If you would just pass because of the reasons you have given: then I would put zero value in your opinion that a terrorism architect need only hide in plain sight and be safe from retribution because... reasons. I have no tolerance for terrorists. None.

But it's OK for Iran to kill Israelis in their Argentinian embassy? Isn't an embassy in a different country altogether? And.. Iran has ZERO qualms about crossing that line... Because it's just SO simple for an Israeli team to waltz into Syria and kill an IRGC general in his home (with NO guards? Doubt it. Is his FAMILY at that home? Wouldn't there be an outcry if...?) The IRGC (Iranian general/ ARCHITECT of the Oct 7th BUTCHERY) is HANDS OFF because... he's in an embassy in a different country? Like Bin Laden was in that Pakistani compound? So the U.S. just can NOT go "into a different country altogether" to try to take him out... correct? You're not thinking this through. Just sayin'

More details, if anyone cares: Argentina court blames Iran for 1990s terror attacks on Israeli embassy, AMIA center Branding Islamic Republic a ‘terrorist state,’ ruling says Hezbollah carried out deadly bombings on Tehran’s orders, calls 1994 bombing of Jewish center a crime against humanity By AFP 12 April 2024, 6:37 am BUENOS AIRES — Over three decades after deadly attacks in Buenos Aires targeted Israel’s embassy and a Jewish center, an Argentine court placed the blame Thursday on Iran and declared it a “terrorist state,” according to local media. The ruling, cited by press reports, said Iran had ordered the attack in 1992 on Israel’s embassy and the 1994 attack on the Argentine Israelite Mutual Association (AMIA) Jewish center. The court also implicated the Iran-backed Lebanese Shiite terror movement Hezbollah and called the attack against the AMIA, the deadliest in Argentina’s history, a “crime against humanity,” according to court documents cited by media reports. “Hezbollah carried out an operation that responded to a political, ideological and revolutionary design under the mandate of a government, of a state,” Carlos Mahiques, one of the three judges who issued the decision, told Radio Con Vos, referencing Iran. In 1992, a bomb attack on the Israeli embassy left 29 dead. Two years later, a truck loaded with explosives drove into the AMIA Jewish center and detonated, leaving 85 dead and 300 injured. The 1994 assault has never been claimed or solved, but Argentina and Israel have long suspected Hezbollah carried it out at Iran’s request. Prosecutors charged top Iranian officials with ordering the attack. Tehran has denied any involvement. Argentina has the largest Jewish community in Latin America, with some 300,000 members. It is also home to immigrant communities from the Middle East, in particular from Syria and Lebanon. The judges ruled Thursday that the AMIA attack was a crime against humanity, and blame then-president Ali Akbar Hashemi Bahramaie Rafsanjani as well as other Iranian officials and Hezbollah members. The decision was welcomed by the president of the Delegation of Israelite Associations of Argentina (DAIA), Jorge Knoblovits. He told Radio Mitre the ruling “is very important because it enables the victims to go to the International Criminal Court.” Former Argentine president Carlos Menem, who died in 2021 and was the president at the time of both attacks, was tried for covering up the AMIA bombing, but ultimately acquitted. His former intelligence chief, Hugo Anzorreguy, was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail for his role in obstructing the probe.

To whit: IRAN (in Israel's Argentine embassy): https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/world/middleeast/argentina-iran-1992-1994-attack.html (I'll bet I can find lots more too... this is just one headline): Argentine Court Says Iran Was Behind Israeli Embassy ... The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com › World › Middle East 4 days ago — The ruling opens the possibility for relatives of victims of the 1992 and 1994 attacks to make claims against Iran in international tribunals.

Do you mean like when Israeli embassies are constantly attacked by nefarious entities, with lots of deaths involved? I'd have to look at the history books... But their embassies are CONSTANTLY attacked, by Palestinian groups or Iranian; primarily, IIRC.

No, They did NOT cross a line. See below: That attack was justified. No different than killing Bin Laden in a compound in which he was NOT the only person killed.