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I think they view him as a prospect... With definite offensive potential... Who sucks on the defensive side of things.

I have no problem moving Berggren.

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I think Cossa depends on what happens in training camp...

So weird to listen to that. It sounds like something I was dancing to in the late 80's at the South Florida club scene. But they're not Nitzer Ebb, or Front 242, or the Ministry, or Nine Inch Nails, or anything close to that, where I could pinpoint when this came out. What's weird is... Nice touch slicing in Kate Bush. I was also listening to her quite heavily in the late 80's... Before switching over to Sinead O'Connor and 10,000 Maniacs and the Throwing Muses. I mostly left Kate Bush's music after switching over but would go back to a few favorites now and then. This was one of them.

I thought prior to Spring Training it was "his job to lose" because, while Baddoo was mostly dismissed, there was at least the thought that Meadows still had to prove he could hit in MLB, IIRC. And Baddoo, or Greene in CF, were the fallback options. Whereas by the end of ST it was more like "OK, he's got this." But my memory sucks so... Aside from that... I mean... things change... Here's an odd idea: The Org put Wenceel in the OF quite a bit last year in Toledo. Is Baddoo the fallback if Meadows needs some time in Toledo? Or Wenceel Perez? Just a thought/ question.

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Again... If Jared Verse and/or Cooper DeJean and/or Adonai Mitchell and/or Graham Barton are getting close to #29, I don't think he would pass on any one of them. If there's only one left, I think he figures out a way to trade up and go get the last guy. But I don't know what that would look like, trade wise. If we're so lucky that all 4 are sitting there at #27, he probably waits and sees who falls to #29. Again, we'll see what he has up his sleeve on Thursday night (25th). That's what makes this so fun... watching Holmes pull rabbits...

I agree with this... Except, I don't think they have enough draft capital to trade up in the 1st. Some moves are too costly. And I believe Holmes takes that, also, into consideration. Again, I agree. But Holmes will calculate not only that, but are there multiple guys he thinks they can get in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and weight the value of going after a 1st round guy, and losing a pick to go get him, versus targeting 4 guys he thinks he can get in the next two rounds, and are they more valuable than 2 guys. I think he is extremely calculating like that. IMO... if I were a betting man... I'd wager he trades down like he did with the #6 pick last year so he can go after more guys that he likes in the top 3 rounds. But we'll see.

So my summary is: I REALLY want Holmes to trade down. I think we can get the same talent at the top of the 2nd as at the end of the 1st. The trick is always to find a trade partner. Which Holmes seems to have had no problem whatsoever being able to move around the draft when he wants to... So... I just see too many good players I'd like on the Lions, at too many positions that... even if a guy isn't an immediate starter... is still a key player to add as an understudy, as a future "dominator", as KEY depth, etc... I can't be satisfied with 3 guys in the top 3 rounds. I want 4, probably even 5 in the top 3 rounds. Probably not so realistic looking at our draft board (picks) today... but I'm not putting anything past Holmes. So my GENERAL want list is: A top playmaker at WR. We could use an X... I'd be satisfied with ANY of Thomas/ Mitchell/ Worthy/ Leggette/ Coleman/ Franklin/ Polk/ Roman Wilson. Which tells me there's more value in trading down for one of these guys in the 2nd and picking up extra picks. I'd like another Edge rusher, but it's tricky. Jared Verse is the only no-doubter IMO, that is possibly within reach at #29. Everyone else is tricky due to injury history/ raw and undeveloped talent/ or other limitation... so I really don't want to consider anyone outside of Verse until our late 2nd (#61) pick. Maybe it's better to add another interior rusher like Fiske or Jenkins with that later 2nd pick? CB and IOL are also tricky to me. But are necessary picks. CB because we have a higher need, but I'm seeing 3rd round grades on players I think the Lions would be ecstatic to grab at #73. Cam Hart, Caelen Carson, Khyree Jackson are all guys that I think fit the Lions profile and they would JUMP at selecting here. I am especially high on Khyree. These guys could develop as an understudy for a year or so... and then take over. IOL also because I'm seeing guys I like in the 3rd (getting 3rd/4th round grades), who I think are sleeper picks to back up Guard and Center this year, but actually are talented enough (size/ strength/ nasty streak/ speed at getting to the 2nd level, etc.) to take over a starting spot. And that means even at Center if injuries finally do in Ragnow. And that's important to me, and the Lions IMO, to have IOL coverage, especially for Ragnow, at least as a Plan B guy that can keep us in a playoff race rather than have the O-Line fall apart because of injuries. So this is sort of a need pick... but I see enough TALENT to warrant a pick here: I'm eyeing Bortolini but I especially am high on McCormick (I think I actually misnamed him MacDonald above... I meant McCormick, out of tiny South Dakota State...). I think there's also the potential for more Holmes' surprise picks, especially if he adds more picks somehow, and I'd be HAPPY to add the talent, regardless, as long as Holmes feels like he is adding some more "Lions types of players" that help us to get even more wins, I won't squawk at all, I promise... which could be anything like another Safety, a RB (that would be a big surprise!), an OT if the right one falls into our range... etc... Just a few thoughts...

3rd Round Grade (and our pick is #73 I think so, near the top of the 3rd...): I'd like to grab a COUPLE steals here. So, I'm all for a trade down that nabs an extra 3rd rounder. TOPS on my list: IOL - Mason McCormick/ Tanor Bortolini. PICK ONE: out of these two guys that can play guard and center. Sleeper Holmes pick for me. One of them. I think I really have a high-want for McCormick. And also for: CB - Khyree Jackson. Another Holmes sleeper pick for me. Also, others to at least consider: DT - Brandon Dorlus. Another smallish pass-rushing DT that will struggle against the run. But could still play a key role for the Lions. DeWayne Carter is probably a better pick with more size. Raw though. WR - Johnny Wilson. At 6'6" he's not much of a separator but more of a glorified TE that walls off smaller CB coverage. Still, might have a skillset that the Lions could utilize. At least a consideration. RB - Trey Benson. A sneaky talent pick here. I think he's at least a Montgomery and probably has a higher upside (IMO). Not a need. But if Homes/ Campbell fall in love... I'm just sayin'... don't be shocked. Could understudy Montgomery and be a stronger 3rd option behind our top 2 guys, in case of injury, than anyone else we've got on the team. Same with Jonathon Brooks if he falls this far. Safety - Cole Bishop is an outstanding value in this range. There's other talent I like in the 3rd round too, G Chris Mahogany, CB Cam Hart, CB Caelen Carson, EDGE Austin Booker, WR Jalen McMillan (maybe, a bit slow), LB'er Junior Colson.

2nd Round, mid-to-late: Safety - If we're considering simply BPA/ "LIONS" type of players... I think Tyler Nubin at safety has to be consideration here. I would file him under "Who did Holmes just grab?!?!?!" If that indeed were to happen... WR - Does Roman Wilson go here, or higher up? Hard to squeeze him higher based on, simply, sheer numbers. Ja'Lynn Polk is also getting squeezed out by numbers and could easily be top of the 2nd instead of Mid. EDGE - This is where I would rather look at a Darius Robinson as he's an run "edge-setter" but not an edge pass-rusher. Also: Adisa Isaac and Bralen Trice. Marshawn Kneeland maybe but I think he's more 3rd rounder type. IOL - Cooper Beebe is graded as a 2nd rounder, IMO. And I'm not listing anyone else. Either: not a Lions type of player. Or: a QB and we don't need no more of those. Or: more of a 3rd rounder grade IMO and therefore just wait. OR: There are so many borderline type guys that a few fall to within the Lions 2nd round pick (at 61). If not, one of these guys.

"Borderline/ Top o' the 2nd round guys": EDGE - Latu. Chris Braswell. Chop Robinson. Each with flaws/ risk. But definitely a consideration if they trade down. I really don't want these guys in the 1st. I only want to consider them IF we trade down. DT - Smaller guys with run-defender flaws, but ferocious pass-rush/speed/energy guys on the interior... uncertain if I should call them mid-to-late 2nd rounders or stick them here... but they're here for now. Braden Fiske, Kris Jenkins, Michael Hall Jr., and maybe Darius Robinson (although I think of him as more of a mid-2nd guy...). One other key point on all of these guys (not just the DT's)... some of them are going to fall to the mid-to-late 2nd round. guys that Holmes might be able to snap up like he did Brian Branch, who probably fell quite a bit further than what his talent ultimately indicated on an NFL field. CB - TJ Tampa (big/tough/tackles/etc), Max Melton. WR - Xavier Worthy, Xavier Leggette, Troy Franklin, Keon Coleman. I'm excluding Ladd McConkey because he has some toughness/ physicalness/ athletic/ "beat-the-press" problems which I think rule him out as a Lion. Tremendous route-running and juke skills though... OTHERWISE... those top 4 guys have a lot of talent. And one of them is going to slip into the mid-2nd. There's a lot of value/ X-Receiver skills there though... So I'm hoping Holmes can snag one of these guys... somewhere, somehow. OT - Jordan Morgan, (this is also where I'd rather trade down to the 2nd to hunt for better talents that fall because of how the draft falls, like Suamataia or Guyton...). IOL - Christian Haynes. LB'er - Edgerrin Cooper maybe, but... I just see better value, more impactful, more "Lions" types of players ahead of him. Just about everyone up above him on this list.

1984 LIVES !!! Detroit Lions Draft Board 2024 (maybe I should call that the 1957 LIVES!!! ...?) 1st Round guys, "Can't pass on him if he's there at 29". Holmes may even trade up for one of these guys, IMO (by position): CB - Quin Mitchell, Cooper DeJean and Terrion Arnold fit here. I see no other CB above "borderline". If one of these guys is there at 29, Holmes seriously considers him. I would especially be pleased with Mitchell or DeJean. EDGE - I only see Dallas Turner and Jared Verse as no-doubt 1st rounders, and both will most likely be gone before 15. Too high to trade up for IMO. Only if 1 falls into the 20's should Holmes consider making a move, IMO. Jared Verse is getting mocked sometimes in the 20's... something to think about at least. As for Latu... he may fit here also. But I think his injury history is too treacherous for the Lions to take a chance. I'm giving him a "borderline" grade because... why take the chance when there are "no-doubt" guys in the 1st and a couple other similar guys to Latu that fall into "borderline". I hope they don't consider him until the 2nd round, at least, and only if they add extra picks. Just my 2 cents. DT - some nice pass-rushing monsters here I would at least consider. The only problem being that they won't see so much field IMO, at first, because it will be Reader and McNeil that dominate snaps. but that could mean bringing along a guy slowly and building up snaps. And may create the most effective interior pass-rush we could manage with: Johnny Newton and Byron Murphy are both "can't pass up" DT's IMO, but look mostly like they are going top 20 picks, so I don't know if they're in reach. There are some smaller guys who look like pass-rushing demons but will probably struggle against the run in the NFL so I don't believe they're more than 2nd round/ borderline guys. Not "can't miss". so to me it's only the above two to consider, if they fall far enough. WR - Too many WR's to list so I'm only going to list the guys that have a chance to be there around #29. That certainly is not the top 3 guys. I think the Lions should consider Brian Thomas and Adonai Mitchell as WR's they shouldn't pass if available at 29. OT - Same here, too many to list. Guys I think they would consider Fautanu, Mims (I don't think the Lions are scared of the short track record), Suamataia, Guyton. But with the 2nd-tier OT's, starting with Mims... any or all of these guys could fall into the 2nd so I think Holmes would take the strategic move of passing on them and trading down for extra picks, a strategic risk of getting a higher graded guy with a lower pick because of how the draft falls. But I'm just guessing. IOL - I think there are a few guys that they would consider with a 1st. But I have mixed feelings here because I think they can find a similar player in a later round so the value is better later... but... do the Lions agree with that? Watch them draft one of: Jackson Powers-Johnson, Graham Barton or Zach Frazier because they love the player, love the versatility, and love the (gritty) demeanor. I won't squawk if they do... but I think they can get a better value IOL later.

I would do this in tiers... Mostly, because there are so many players that I really like I don't know who to call as a "favorite" that I want. I have lots of favorites IOW. So I think the best way I can look at it is in tiers, just like teams do on their draft boards, with "grades" (1st round grade, 2nd, etc...). A couple other points: My favorite 1st round tier guys will most likely all be gone by the time the Lions pick, so: A) Maybe Holmes moves up for a guy they really, really want. B) Letting the draft "come to the Lions" most likely means they're choosing from several guys that are "borderline". Latu maybe because he falls due to injury concerns. Chop Robinson maybe because while he has high-level skills, he's extremely raw. Amarius Mims because teams are scared to draft him with only 8 games college history....? C) Which tells me... if they have 4 or 5 "borderline" guys that they like, and a team wants to trade from the top of the 2nd and into the late 1st to draft Penix or Bo Nix... or however Holmes can wrangle a trade down for extra picks, then he should do it. If it's a "can't pass him up" guy then draft him. But if there's only a raft of guys they'd rather pick at the top of the 2nd round then... trade down and get extra picks. That's part of how I'm going to break up the tiers: "Can't pass on him 1st rounder", "Borderline/ Top of the 2nd" guy, "pure 2nd rounder", "3rd rounder", etc... One last point: Kool-Aid and Wiggins are GARBAGE. They are crappy tacklers and the Lions HATE crappy tackling CB's. They will NOT be drafted by the Lions so why is every mock throwing one of these guys to the Lions? Are they stupid? The Lions have flat out said we DON'T LIKE these guys. (Now watch them draft one of these guys and make me out to be a flat out liar!!!) But I won't consider them on my draft board, for reasons stated. At all. NOT on my:

As far as I'm concerned... Gost provides power play + But is a negative everywhere else. IMO: no thanks.

I'm saying that the IDF number is a SUBSET of the Health Ministry number. Health Ministry is total deaths. Good number as far as I'm concerned. But they do NOT differentiate between Hamas and civilians... so: IDF reports Hamas fighter deaths. If they say ~13K... then that is a SUBSET of the Health Ministry's TOTAL 33K deaths. They have divergent agendas... But I don't see a problem with doing the math. I think what the FDD is doing is not right: Excluding death counts on the pretense that incomplete validations is a justifiable excuse to do so.

This isn't the problem. 13K combatant deaths (IDF) out of 33K total deaths (Gaza Health Ministry, or, Hamas) is probably a decent guess. That's using the two sources. But what they are doing wrong is basically saying "Well, the Health Ministry doesn't have FULL DOCUMENTATION of the death so we're not going to count them. So there's only 26K dead that we're going to count..." Even though there's actually 33K dead. That's what's sort of... ****ed up.

Correct. Roughly 13,000 (that's a WAG) of the dead are Hamas fighters. Other gray areas: 1) They don't report who killed the dead. IE: It was proven that Hamas bombed Al-Shifa Hospital (the one time) when they were claiming an estimated 300 or so dead from Israeli missiles. Only they weren't Israeli, they were failed Hamas missiles that went awry. Those deaths are included in the Health Ministry totals. In other words: We have NO IDEA how many of the Health Ministry's 33K dead were killed by HAMAS because they don't differentiate. Whether it's an errant Hamas missile (and they misfire often), or caught in crossfires between Hamas terrorists and IDF soldiers and killed by stray Hamas bullets... It's NOT zero. 2) Hamas uses child soldiers. As messengers, as weapons & ammunition "transporters", as battlefield damage assessors, as battlefield "scouts", as lookouts, etc... Of all the women and children killed and reported by the Health Ministry, we have no idea how many were actively, militarily, supporting Hamas terrorists. But it is NOT zero. It's dangerously close to genocidal due to the induced famine and the total wipeout of their cities, outside of Rafah. But the civilian casualties to military casualties are roughly 1.5 to 1, in an urban war. That's unprecedented. The UN expects 9-1 civilian casualties in an urban war. That's their standard. Israel has taken more steps, outside of the U.S. in our ME wars, than anyone, ever, to reduce civilian casualties. Not a genocide. The wipeout of their cities...? I'm thinking of Dresden, Germany, in WWII, when we firebombed Dresden. I believe there were quite a lot of civilian casualties in that event. In other words: compared to Israel in Gaza: there's been much, much, much worse. And... as already stated, Israel has taken unprecedented measures to try to prevent civilian deaths.

Read the FDD analysis. Just because they have "incomplete data" does not mean that the dead are NOT dead... it just means they are unable to fully document the death. I think that's a misread by The Persian Jewess.

We are no longer in control of anything... However... We play at Toronto & a home-and-home with Montreal. Penguins play Boston, Nashville, and at the Islanders (tough games but they've been on a HOT roll...) Islanders play at the Rangers, at the Devils, and then home against the Penguins. They're tied at Montreal right now with 2 min's to go... Caps play Tampa, Boston, and at the Flyers. We still have a chance...

Bzzzt. Nope. One point this game. And we are out of the playoffs unless we get some help, the math is still there, and what they do in these last 3 games.

Exactly what I was thinking... "I don't want to know ANY of the young people that Ronz is hanging out with..." I'm a boomer anyways so I wouldn't be welcome which is fine by me. I couldn't stand this level of ignorance or stupidity (whichever one applies).

That does it for me. Can she be replaced? Or, rather... how soon?

Which means even more kids, like Tuomisto & Wallinder... 😉