1984Echoes

I would add Genborg (just arrived in GR), Buium, Anton Johansson, maybe Plante... Specifically because these guys are at GR or have played some for Detroit (so add Finnie, Kasper and MBN here too) or are close to arriving in GR... I would call them all unfinished prospects. Even those with Red Wing playing time or on the Wings right now. Maybe every single one of these guys turns into hot garbage... but I don't think so. It's just that, IMO, it's going to take 1 to 3 years for these guys to flesh out either into good NHL players... or not. Puts us in a sucky position because I'm tired of watching this version of the Wings (annual March wilting flowers...) as much as anybody else in here. They have problems with toughness, hard area play, playmaking/ passing/ scoring in general, 5 on 5 play, team defense... It's endlessly mediocre and I've had enough of the mediocrity too. But... since the largest portion of the Wings' "potential" talent isn't quite ready yet, and that includes ASP, Kasper & MBN, amongst others... I feel like I am stuck letting these guys percolate into Wings or... dropping off into less-than-mediocrity. I therefore want to give Stevie Y at least a couple more years as well... I think this raft of "potential" will actually develop into something... into a team that plays better/ tougher than this version of the Wings. But I'm the optimist. And I think SY can get this team to play at a higher level, with his prospects or any other moves needed... but I'm the optimist. This is where I am at. Transition old contracts of the books, see if these kids turn into something... or not. I'd like to see SY make a sharp move, by trade or FA or whatever... And I'll give him another 2 years to make this happen. But I'm not jumping up and down for this... I just want to see this through. And I think Stevie Y, and his cadre of current "prospects", deserve that chance. Just my 2 cents.

It was a very bad mangle.

He's also LH'ed and a perfect platoon partner at 1B whilst Tork is struggling at .215 again. IMO.

Conspiracy Theorists... What can you do?

Already theorized (not by me) that he is a Harris special who will be waived at the last minute to try and slip him off the 40 and down to Toledo...

If they go 7-4 and we go 4-7 they lose. We have the tiebreaker, correct? They can go 8-3 and we go 3-8 and we STILL win.

"Stopped the Holocaust." ...? (Per Dershowitz?) Profit? He would have straight up sold our Jewish population to Hitler. Not even a ****ing joke. He would ****ing do it. This mother ****er would ask Hitler for $10K per Jew. He would deport them in a nanosecond for profit; and would offer to build 50 Auschwitz' for the Nazis because he (Drumpf) is "good at real estate". For $10 mill per death camp. With Trump's name on them for $1 mill per for "naming rights". Trump is completely despicable, completely without empathy or remorse for ANYONE or anything except himself. The most grotesque despicable POS and we are stuck with this MF'ing prick. The worst ****ing joke is on America, because he is OURS. And this MF'er ABSOLUTELY would sell out anyone, even for Hitler's death camps, for profit he's so MF'ing contemptible. And Dershowitz thinks the opposite? Wrong answer Alan.

This. Vierling at 3B if they wanna sit Keith for a day against some LH'ers...

I think McGonigle is mostly SS and Keith mostly 3B. I think it was just spring training "let's try him out here just in case"... which will only come into a play in the regular season if a problem or injury occurs. IMO.

If he got good at 1st he may even survive as a Tiger in the coming transition... But I think like others that he ends up in some "retool" deal after this or next season...

Did you forget the: /s ? Campos is obviously nowhere near Miggy's zip code... But if he actually turned into a Byron Buxton or Kyle Tucker we'd all be doing handsprings and "shouting from the mountain tops"... That is... if we didn't just keel over dead from shock.

I'll see your 15+ pounds of muscle... And raise you "simply more dedication on/to the defensive end".

Just needs to get some ice time and GR is the perfect place for that...

Creating an example: Holmes somehow maneuvers the Lions into drafting Francis Mauigoa (OT) and either Keldric Faulk or Zion Young to start at DE opposite Hutch. Then, after the draft, Holmes signs Joey Bosa, for: A) Depth. B) As a pass-rushing specialist. C) To impart all his other-worldly pass-rushing techniques to the entire Lions Edge room. D) All of the above. I mean... that works for me.

But prices will start coming down for unsigned veterans the closer we get to training camp (and they don't have a team...). Which will change the formula.

That's a lot of out with the old, in with the new.... Which is what I was saying Harris could use as a "battle plan" to sign Skubal to a big contract. I don't know if that works for Harris and Ilitch... That's pretty heavily dependent on kids coming up... and sticking... But if we DO sign Skubal, IMO, that's the approach. Some additional roster changes: McKinstry/ Baez/ Jahmai Jones (bench guys) replaced with: Pick 3: Hao Yu Lee, Max Anderson, Trei Cruz, Jace Jung (these guys as utility; and there may also be some additional options in the system...). I don't know if Wenceel survives this transition, but... maybe? Verlander, Flaherty, Mize replaced with: Drew Anderson, Troy Melton & Jackson Jobe. (We may have additional options in the future but too early to say who rises and who falters from the lower tier of prospects...). Kenley Jansen/ Will Vest replaced by... Tyler Mattison? And...? Bullpen is notorious for guys being up and down and... unexpected surprises... so just tossing out a random name here.

Thank you!!!

Ron Holland III.

I don't hate Boras. I just understand the reality of dealing with him. Dombrowski worked really well with Boras... And signed several top-of-the-market (at that time) contracts with his clients. No bones with him at all... I just know that Boras and Skubal will command, and 99.9% receive, a top-of-the-market contract. Will the Tigers/ Harris/ Ilitch do that...? Maybe, but I think that's a very tiny window. IMO.

Bingo. I believe that there is only one alternative idea that keeps Skubal in Detroit: Harris comes up with a plan to keep salary below the Apron whilst also signing Skubal at the Market Price. And Ilitch says "Do It. Future pitcher's health be damned." Is that a likely scenario? I think it NOT. However, if that were a winning scenario, what would it look like? "Chris, after this season, we'll sign Skubal to the contract he wants. We will also let Torres, Mize, Rogers and Flaherty walk as free agents and replace them with kids. And we will trade Green, Tork and Carpenter and replace them with kids." Just a WAG...

Don't we already have Alligator Auschwitz? Republicans should just simplify their midterm platform: "Hey MAGA: Bankrupt America, a Death Camp for every Blue State, and we're taking suggestions for who MAGA wants to populate American Auschwitz." That wins them all of their next terms... At least according to ...

Send them to Cuba. To the Bay of Pigs.

As well as with periodic starts when needed... IMO.

I'm sorry... But you guys are NOT correct. Boras and Skubal want to SET the market for a pitcher of Skubal's excellence. For this level of pitching dominance. That's it. It has nothing to do with Skubal remaining a Tiger for life because that's not his goal. (IMO). If Harris wants to hand out the largest contract ever for a starting pitcher... Skubal will be a Tiger. If not, he won't. It has never been otherwise.

Naziholic going to root for Nazis. Was anything different then that expected...?