1984Echoes

No, there are still guys out there right now, who could fill some of the holes you've mentioned. I don't know if there is an "official" end to the 2nd wave of free agency... Or just, as long as there are guys out there before the draft, the door should "figuratively" remain "open". Personally, I'm less focused on where we are, right now, then where we end up, just before training camp. Or at least a month or so after the draft when all the new wave (3rd wave?) of veteran releases have signed with teams... Or Detroit/ Holmes says "we're done, for now...". I mean, there are usually quite a few veteran trades during the draft for a pick that can end up helping a team. There are all the guys that are out there right now. There are all the vets that get released within two weeks after the draft as teams strip themselves (cap-wise) down a bit. "3rd wave of free agency." And there's the draft itself. As far as I can tell... Holmes is being very careful with cap money. He's not going after any big-ticket guys... but, at least it looks like to me... that he's picking up all sorts of capable guys (not world-beaters or flashy toys) at budget/ affordable prices. So I would just keep letting him do his job and I think there is no way to properly assess his off-season performance until we get far enough after this year's draft, and close enough to training camp to see where all the chairs have stopped moving. I also feel like he's picking up better depth guys... And as for the remaining holes on the team, well... We'll see.

Don't we have 9 or 10 picks? Isn't Holmes finding contributing players for the team in almost any round? No... he can use a 1st rounder on LT. And a 2nd rounder on a DE. And two 4th rounders on a secondary guy (CB?) and a TE. And two 5th rounders on a coverage LB'er and another secondary guy (Safety) for depth. And two 6th rounders on a depth between-the-tackles short yardage RB and another secondary guy (Safety?) for depth, or maybe a pass-rush specialist... And for his 7th rounder... well, how about Holmes uses that pick for whatever guy he feels best can help the Lions? Wouldn't that be novel? Just my 2 cents...

He is MORE Kwity Paye and NOT Paschal. IMO.

Boy... you're just going to any lengths possible to **** all over me. I gave multiple answers, all proclaiming him a rotational or depth DE. That I still want a better DE signing like Jordan, to be the starter and keep Wonnum where he belongs, as a depth DE. He's best at being an edge-setter, with some pass-rushing chops. Not a world-beater... just a good depth guy, where last year our depth was nil. Hmmm, who does that remind me of? Oh yeah, Kwity Paye, who I was all over wanting to add him because he would be a good... wait for it: depth DE. But he signed for $48 mill. Yeah, I'm excited for a depth DE (wherein last year we had virtually none) who reminds me a lot of Kwity Paye and costs $6 mill, not $48 mill. So yeah, go ahead and keep ****ting all over my posts and keep telling yourself I like him because the Lions signed him and for no other reason. That's a ****ty comment you made, BTW, in case I haven't mentioned that yet.

You're really trying to sell Wonnum as a scrap heap player. A bargain basement player only... Why is that? Why are you trashing this guy so badly?

And a far superior option to Muhammed.

I'm not going to mistake a defense suffering from a slew of injuries as a bad defense like you are...

Wonnum played in 16 games this past year, starting 15. Whatchu talkin' about Willis?

I think between Detroit's coaches, scheme, and Hutch... That there could actually be some hope for this. But I would wait'n'see. I think he has upside. I think he'll be a good rotational DE for Detroit. Good depth. Anything more than that will be gravy. So... We'll see.

I'm on board with the "MORE DEMS" plan and I don't care if they are red or purple state centrists or blue state progressives. Just get me more Dems... Please. But I get what you are saying...

Then get better players. A one-trick-pony pass-rusher-ONLY is NOT the answer.

PS: I wouldn't say that he "emerged" as much as "survived" the rash of injuries that struck the rest of the line and therefore was available versus... not. They had no choice but to put him on the field.

Muhammed was horse**** against the run, that's why.

Wonnum is NOT a 3-tech. That's a DT if you didn't know that. He's a 3-DOWN defensive end. He's best at stopping the run. Yeah, that's needed too. Why do you want someone who can ONLY rush the passer? the Lions HATED that Muhammed was **** against the run. That's why he is no longer with the team... aside from any money concerns. Put a pass-rusher ONLY on the field and he can be taken advantage of. I don't agree with this philosophy. I'll take Wonnum's rotational ability to do both: stop the run and rush the passer. He had 8 sacks for the Vikings when he was starting as a DE. Each... in two years 2021 and 2023.

Yes.

My only question would be: Is it him? Or was it how Carolina was using him. I sort of... don't trust Carolina. I think he was used much more at DE by the Vikings, and almost exclusively by Carolina in space as an OLB... Yes I know this. I still like him as a reclamation/ rotational/ depth DE guy for the Lions. Just a WAG... But I think Detroit gets a lot more out of him than Carolina did... and he'll be back to as effective as he was with Minny. Not as a dominant All-Star type DE... but just as a rotational/ depth DE that... This team also needs. That's all I'm saying. I like the guy and I think it's a good signing. I don't think Carolina used him effectively. Just my 2 cents.

Keep 'em coming...

Trump thinks he can bully everyone into submission. EU/Canada/China/Russia/etc...: Go **** yourself Trump.

PS: Wonnum has 30 sacks, 32 TFL's, 59 QB hits, 15 PD's and 3 FF's so far in his career... so he has some ability. Not certain what his pass-rush win rate is... But I think there's enough there for Detroit's coaches to work with...

PS: I'd still love to snag Cam Jordan. Top-notch run-stopper. Can still get after the QB. Even at 37 this coming season. At a higher level than Wonnum. But on a rotation... Jordan/ Wonnum/ Hassanein/ Hutch plus a draft pick... That would do the trick IMO...

28. Run-stopping chops as well as some pass-rush. 6' 5" 260... Better girth and run-stopping than Mohammed... He's started before... but still could end up as depth depending on any additional moves by Holmes... But definitely an upgrade on Mohammed. I don't believe he'll be "the answer" that we are looking for... but if he does end up as depth... Excellent! Even as a starter he is at the very least adequate-to-above-average.

I LIKE it!!!

I think any platoon with Keith at 3B will be with Vierling.

Is it Wenceel or Jahmai? I know Jahmai does not have an option... but he also offers less than Wenceel... Isn't Jahmai basically a DH only?

This may also be spring training ping pongs in which there will be a whole lot less during the regular season. Or at least we are hoping for a more consistent line up during the year... But methinks this is more "cross-training for just-in-case purposes" rather than an actual indication of what Hinch is trying to do. But then again... injuries or ineffectiveness...