Motown Bombers

I don’t think an R+10 district will elect a Democrat. Regardless, what you presented here is already gerrymandered. What is Metro Detroit? Is it the CSA that includes Ann Arbor and Flint? Is it just the tri counties? The Detroit CSA is 53% of the population. At 5 reps, that’s only 38% of the representation. If you go MSA and only focus on Wayne-Oakland-Macomb, that’s about 43%. Now what do you do with Washtenaw and Genesee Counties? I’m assuming mid Michigan. I’m thinking Washtenaw, Genesse, Ingram and the Tri Cities make it more than 50/50. Where is the Thumb in all this? Mid Michigan? Where does mid end and west begin? What about the north? This still leaves it open to gerrymandering and Detroit is under represented.

Yeah but at some point you run out of places to gerrymander. I think Texas gerrymander could backfire since they are relying on a realignment from Hispanics. I’m not sure how many more republican districts you squeeze from the Texas suburbs. Same with California, you’re likely to get more districts in the Central Valley.

What needs to happen is the house needs to be expanded. It hasn’t been expanded in over 100 years. The average district in California is 760k. Wyoming is 580k. The Wyoming rule would make sure all districts are the size of the smallest district. That would add 16 districts to California.

That still exposes it to gerrymandering.

Illinois didn’t disarm themselves like California. Good for them.

Wild, so just because a state has 40% of one party doesn’t mean that 40% of the districts will be that party? To get to 8 red districts in Illinois, you’re probably going to have to do a little gerrymandering. Probably have to cut up the Chicago exurbs and pack Dems in Chicago.

BTW how is Iowa not on the list? It’s worse than Illinois. It has four congressional districts and all are republican despite Harris winning 42% of the vote and congressional Dems winning 43%.

Because republicans across the country have been gerrymandering while blue states like California have unilaterally disarmed themselves. Good for Illinois. Keep going. Maybe Republicans will finally agree with Illinois Democratic senators and end gerrymandering. Until then, I’m not interested in both sides bull****. Illinois has been playing by the same rules as republicans.

So? That doesn’t make Illinois the most gerrymandered. That 47% isn’t just in one part of the state. Shouldn’t all of the districts be 47% Republican? 47% is not typical. There shouldn’t be a single Republican district in Illinois.

Cry me a ****ing river. Look across the border into Wisconsin. Republicans have a super majority in the legislature in a state Democrats won statewide. The last republican to get 45% in Illinois was Bruce Rauner in 2014 and that was because of the whole corruption thing with Blagojevich. Don’t overstate republican support in Illinois.

No, it’s not. Democrats in good faith established redistricting commissions in states like California. No red state. Sorry, not going to both sides this one.

Republicans have rejected every attempt to end gerrymandering. Democrats, including Illinois two Democratic senators, have tried to pass anti gerrymandering laws. Illinois isn’t gerrymandered enough. Every single district should touch Chicago.

Remember the Pistons had the worst record in the NBA that year. Imagine Cade and Victor on the same team.

What part do you not agree with?

None of that matters. Biden was the most progressive president since Johnson and it didn't matter. It's about vibes. They want someone who wears flannel and has a beard, not an obese billionaire Jew.

How did they fail to energize around the 2022 senate races when they expanded their majority?

Pritzker is my favorite for president. He's "establishment" and a Jew so he's a no go with the left.

Keep in mind these economic progressives who think billionaires are the scourge of the earth are endorsing a billionaire for governor of California.

It's about racism but from the left. You notice how the left is always obsessed with the white working class? When they lose primaries after the blacks down south vote, the election was rigged. Gee, elections being rigged in areas with high black populations, that sounds familiar. Platner is selling the people of Maine a con like Trump. They are sacrificing everything they claimed were their principles for this guy the same way MAGA does for Trump.

Right, it has nothing to do with economic progressivism. I have not heard anything from Platner that is new or different. People on the left or giving up all their principles and what they claimed to care about to support this guy. It's Donald Trump but from the left. I couldn't have fathomed that a blackwater op who is against assault rifle bans who voted for Republicans would be the darling of the left.

Yes, the left has turned into antisemites. They basically do six degrees of Israel. If a friend of friend of a filthy Jew donated to your campaign, you're not pure.

Yes, that was Fetterman. Fetterman was an economic populist on the left. The problem with Platner is, he's a Republican who voted for Susan Collins. His whole working man persona is a lie. He's a grifter and opportunist. Now apparently we are supposed to just ignore everything because a guy with literally no experience comes on the scene saying all the right buzzwords and is an avatar of what people think white working class looks like. Biden was an economic progressive. He was old and boring. It's not about economic progressiveness, it's all about culture. Fetterman is a fat slob who looks like the typical MAGA voter. That was his appeal. Platner wears flannel and has a beaver's ass on his face so he's a manly man. They are both con men like Trump. People are ticked off at the party because they strip the Dems of their power and expect them to do something like there is just some magic trick they are refusing to do that would completely stop Trump. I have yet to hear any new ideas from these young candidates like Platner.

Fetterman 2.0. Progressives will pretend they never supported him and he was the conservative Dem.

It's amazing how Fetterman was the Platner of 2022 who the progressive liked, and as soon as he won and changed his stripes, it's all he was never progressive, he was the establishment conservative Dem.

Of course not now, but he ran as the progressive. He was endorsed in the primary by Bernie Sanders. Fetterman supported Bernie Sanders presidential campaign. Fetterman distanced himself from progressives after he got elected. This isn't debatable. He ran as a progressive.