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Well, maybe if the press corps had access to Biden instead of being hid, we'd have a better idea of what's going on with our leader. MB would be demanding this and calling it an existential crisis and pointing to Reagan's second term if a R was in the office. Biden was an effective speaker. If folks want to claim he wasn't a good public speaker, fine, but he was effective. He's not effective anymore. I'm not an effective speaker, so when I'm 80 if I'm not an effective speaker than either, you're right it wouldn't be evidence of mental decline. For Biden it's some evidence suggesting it, not proving it, but suggesting it. My biggest issue is his response time. I saw that with my Grandpa and it directly correlated with dementia. Still, alone doesn't mean anything, but we're starting to add things up. Plus, think back to the Wall Street Journal "hit piece" which had not only democratic but WH sources, maybe it wasn't so much of a hit piece in hindsight. Even by CNN standards Trump only out lied Biden 3 to 1 in the debate. Again, it shows Biden is better, but maybe if you want Biden to win don't focus on health or lying where Biden would fail miserably against most.

Here is the problem MB, there have been legitimate questions for quite some time as to whether Biden was up for this or not. In fact there were questions last time and in hindsight, It definitely looks like Covid and being able to hide from public events was a big factor for him. You need to stop believing the spin your side is feeding you that Biden just had a cold and an off night. If my mom had 30 minutes like Biden had at the beginning of the debate, my brothers and I would be discussing what we're going to do with mom. Likely we would have learned that each of us saw some signs prior as well, which has been reported recently, but cast away by folks like you as nothing but political hit pieces despite the fact democrats were sourced for those articles as well, they just didn't want to go on the record. Nearly everyone on this board, assuming Biden is on the ballot, is going to vote for him. If he has a heartbeat i'll vote for him, heck, if he dies prior to election day but is still on the ballot, i'm voting for him. I just never thought i'd be voting for someone that I seriously thought might have trouble making it to election day, definitely would not complete his term, and even if he somehow did, I have 100% confidence that he would not be calling the shots. That's just crazy. It's not Donald Trump crazy, but it's still pretty ****ing crazy.

It would do good for Biden if some mediocre white men voted for him. The Lincoln Project and Bulwark/Miller were never behind Biden, they were always against Trump. It's no different now.

Rather this is a planned trip or not, if his team is not talking to him about stepping down, then they are just 'yes' men like we all fear Trump will have anyway. It would be a dereliction of duty if they do not ask the tough questions to him.

Biden will not be president again, I feel that's a near certainty. Rather he steps down to give dems a chance or loses, I don't know. In response to motownbomber, many on the bulwark were folks that helped create Trump, but Tim Miller is not one of them and I think his last podcast was 100% right. Rather the dems keep Biden or not, they need to be 100% on the offense right now. Every member of the cabinet needs to try and take up as much spotlight as possible to show they have a team around Biden and Kamala basically has until the convention to make people believe that if, or rather when Biden dies/resigns, she's ready and capable. Personally I think that's about as likely as Trump resigning for the good of the country, but it needs to happen.

From everything I’ve read, Biden asked for this format and rules and Trump accepted them all. i wouldn’t be against a live fact checker but I definitely can see some issues with that too. There was very little for the moderators to do here based on Biden’s rules and they pointed out several times, only to Trump, that he didn’t answer the question asked of him. blaming the moderators on this performance is ridiculous.

Yeah, let’s have a debate where the moderators also do the work for Biden as it’s clear he no longer has that option. Or, just hear me out, you put someone up against Trump that can do that job, as they should, as Biden once could.

I haven't followed this obstruction issue much, but it does strike me that maybe that by leveraging Sarbanes-Oxley which was designed to deal with the likes of Enron/WorldCom to apply it to folks that broke into the Capital, maybe the Justice department went to far. The news is making it sound like all of these 1/6 folks will go free and the ones still being found/prosecuted are off the hook. You mean there isn't anything else you can charge them on?

He was never a poor public speaker, in fact his public speaking was a plus for him. He wasn't polished like a lot of other politicians, but came off as just a 'normal Joe'. In the last several years is when you've first heard about him not being a good speaker, that's nothing but a push by his side to downplay expectations. On substance Biden won, hands down, it wasn't close. But unfortunately that doesn't mean he won debate. Was the Nixon/Kennedy debate close? I honestly don't know, all I know is Nixon lost horribly because he didn't wear make up. Additionally, how many people stuck around to watch Biden settle down, which I agree he did. I'm hearing quite a few say they turned it off early as it was too brutal.

I’m going to turn off Maddow trying to outline why this could be good and I’m going to watch The Boys so I know what to expect next year.

Well NK is coming! joking aside, the country has been seriously damaged and dealt significant loss. If not one more Ukrainian dies and they regain the East and Crimes, only then would that possibly considered a win. For the US it’s been great though, humiliate Russia via a proxy is priceless.

That’s funny, but how ****ing offensive was that answer. Immigrants take “the jobs no one wants” as stated by both parties at times. So by Trump’s own statement, blacks would be great under Trump if they only still had the jobs no one else wanted.

Not saying Trump is right, but pretty sure Ukraine isn’t kicking ass either. Better than expected against a great power, I’ll give you that.

CNN coming to Biden’s aid there, prefect time for a break after possibly the best quip from Biden all night

It was, but Biden’s response fell flat. A little deprecating humor would have been perfect like “I’m not going to say I’m the man I was 20 years ago, at one time I certainly could play well, but now I don’t have time due to my job”

Best line of the night from Trump calling Biden the biggest liar, lol. It’s not a fair debate, Trump spews bull**** with made up “stats” (I thought stats had numbers, not just ‘The best’). Biden is trying and struggling to remember actual stats/info, but it just looks bad.

I feel like he’s getting testier and that seems to be working.

Everyone has seen or heard about some middle aged person having a stroke and gradually improving. Joe isn’t going to improve, some good days, some bad. The thought of voting someone like this is scary. I’m still voting for him, but certainly hope there isn’t a national emergency and he’s having a bad day.

Great, 4 more years of Trump.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like Russia would have problems with China if they gave them a big boost there.

Romad, looking for an opinion, do you think Kim believes his troops would help and that they will be protected by the Russian army? Just wondering if Kim actually thinks they will return and he can tout that as a triumph or if he knows he's sending them to slaughter but it's worth it to get closer to Russia.

Tim Miller (Bulwark Podcast) recently moved there and brought up his experience and basically stated you can find a community that fits you just about anywhere. Every Red state has blue areas and even the reddest states generally have 40% voting for democrats in most state elections. Now on the flip side.... My conservative (fiscally as it turns out) aunt and uncle moved there pre-Trump, probably 2010'ish. Retired and moved down near Nashville. Both were extremely active in the community and with their church and absolutely loved it. That said, as Trump came around, they noticed changes they didn't like. The church they were involved in all of a sudden had an issue with their daughter (who is married to a women), it was never an issue before. My aunt, even retired, remains an advocate for Credit Unions and is always aware of all financial legislation at both the state/fed level and she had republicans she liked which she could work/discuss things with that were now busy pushing Trump 'stuff'. Top it off with a few of their closest friends moving or passing away and it didn't take them long to head to DC (well, Maryland).

There are folks in both parties that aren't fine with it as well and I don't want to defend Monsanto, but the analogy leaves out quite a bit. This is like me deciding I really want an Audi TT, but it costs a lot of money so while Audi specifically tells me I need to use premium gas in it instead of regular, otherwise i'll void my warranty, I used regular anyway as I want it cheaper (that is my right, is it not?!?!?!). Now my engine is damaged and Audi wont' fix it! Audi is obviously an evil company and both parties are fine with it.

It's also gullible media doing surface reporting as well. I listened to an interview with Matt Taibbi (the center left reporter the left and right hates) and himself and the two interviewing him got into a discussion when they sort of realized Trump could possibly win in 2016. They felt they were more educated on the news than most based on their jobs but all in hindsight admitted they missed so much.

Harvard and MIT have quite a few courses you can audit for free, I'm sure many others as well. Here are a few possible links or sites to check. https://www.edx.org/learn/government/harvard-university-american-government-constitutional-foundations https://www.classcentral.com/tag/constitutional-law This one is on the US Revolution, not directly related to what you seem interested in, but I found it while digging these up and plan on watching this. youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeCFWdLZpnW97PCYqTm4e37ush6xgnJ_G https://online.hillsdale.edu/landing/intro-to-the-constitution?utm_medium=search_paid&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=online_courses_dsa_oc&utm_term=&utm_id=692119507807&utm_content=oc_course&gclid=CjwKCAjwydSzBhBOEiwAj0XN4Gpx5aGGkgQpDHBdf2FqmSSMdcUGF5r5y6g3EKHHCiiUw7CSxILQEhoC594QAvD_BwE https://www.coursera.org/