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A buddy of mine lives just outside Knoxville, TN, has quite a gun collection, and enjoys shooting. He is contemplating buying some property just so he can shoot somewhere without having to associate with other people who assume he's like minded.

Hopefully there are some background talks with China regarding this. This is increasing shipping costs for them too, it would be nice for them to put some pressure on Iran.

You have to trust Joe Biden in order to grasp it like this, and most average voters do not trust any politician. I can listen to you say that it's smart for him to negotiate the tariff away and agree that you might be right. But again, when you say Soybean farmers were destroyed by Trump over these tariffs, but it's alright that Biden is still destroying them because it's the smart thing to do and if there is any blame for soybean farmers going bankrupt in years 4, 5, and 6 they should still blame Trump and not Biden, that's tough for the average voter to swallow.

1984, The average voter does not get into the weeds on issues like those of us on this forum do so it is a little bit more difficult to understand than you claim. I'm not defending the tariffs. All I'm saying is that to the average Trump voter, you can't outline all these reasons why Trump's tariffs were the most idiotic decision in the history of all time, then try and defend why Biden still has them in place 3 years later.

Gehringer, there you go again by analyzing the decision, it's impact, how it can be leveraged now, and the host of variables that come with all of that. In looking at what you wrote, the only difference I think we have on it is that initially I was not critical of Trump for imposing them even though I tend to be against tariffs. I was willing to accept the tax on us to try and send a message.

How utterly ****ing STUPID are you Biden supporters for supporting a guy that knew they were bad but kept them? That is how a MAGA would respond to you and on its surface, it's a legitimate response.

I don't want to see Biden go down this route either for the sake of decorum, but 1) I don't think it would turn off any of his current voters and 2) It would directly speak to and get the attention of Trump leaning voters. It's always annoyed me that it's the folks with '**** Joe Biden' stickers on their cars that are at the library meetings screaming about watching out for the kids and making sure they don't read inappropriate things.

The problem with everyone on this board is that they have interest in politics and therefore keep up on news related to it. This leads to more nuanced responses and more push back on claims. That's a good thing, but my point on the average Trumper (and honestly the average Biden supporter) is that they don't pay attention to the details, they respond to the slogans. Obviously the type of news and how you interpret it leads to differing opinions, but the facts are Dems, over my lifetime, were the party of the unions and were much more open to tariffs. Maybe I went to far to say they 'love' them, but in the last 40 years, until Trump, no republicans were pushing for them. Biden did let a small one expire without pushing to extend it, outside of that nearly all of the Trump imposed tariffs still exist today. If Trump is an idiot that for idiotic reasons imposed the tariffs, what is Biden if he is the grown up finally back in charge and keeps them? That's a rhetorical question, in the second link below there are some reasons noted why he kept them, but again, most people don't care to go that in depth. Your average Trumper just sees this: * Trump enacted them and got ridiculed for it * Biden comes in, keeps them, and when pushed on it, his defenders explain why they are good while simultaneously saying Trump was an idiot for doing it. And to Lee, the Trump voters I know differ on that. Some steadfastly claim he's not in it for himself, the left just paints it that way. Most seem to think he's definitely trying to 'get his', but also that he wants to expose everything else that it wrong with government so they are fine with it. https://www.csis.org/analysis/democratic-trade-policy-part-i#:~:text=For roughly its first 150,greater choice that trade brings. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/27/1184027892/china-tariffs-biden-trump#:~:text=Biden hardly ever mentions the,wrap up later this year.

Democrats loved tariffs, then Trump imposed them and every democrat said they were the dumbest thing in the world. Biden kept them in place and it's a non story now. Lots of things don't make sense to sensible people. I don't think we're dealing with that with the Trumpers.

I'm not saying there aren't people that are like what you describe, but as a whole I think you're misguided. There is no advantage for the GOP here. Right now, for the politicians, yes, they have to play the Trump game. It allows them to stay in power in red districts/states and for independent/blue states, it allows them to stay in the party should it ever turn around, but they know they will lose elections until Trump is gone. Eventually it will force a change in the party in order to win elections. Without the unique ability of Trump, I'm confident you would have already seen that. And in today's world, who cares about who shares their politics. If it weren't for Sanders primary voters voting for Trump over Hillary, we may not have ever had Trump. They couldn't be any further politically, but the message resonates the same. That message is powerful people are taking advantage of the government and you, and there is no politician that is going to do a damn thing about it. That's why the Strong Man/Fascist view resonates, because for years, both sides says the other side is stopping progress from fixing issues. They are finally believing both sides and figure it's the only option to fix it.

Sounds like they had just hired this guy for their upcoming tour. Opening band refused to play with them and now the tour has been cancelled. I listened to several songs of theirs and enjoyed them. Hopefully they can get through this.

I say 'republic' now, so I guess this fits me. That said, I say republic because I got roasted on this site for saying we were a democracy years back. There are some that truly believe the election was stolen, thus they don't believe in democracy/republic/democratic republic anymore, but most of the Trump folks I know simply want to burn it down and seem to think we'll be better to start fresh. As with most people, they don't follow politics/news/business enough to truly understand what 'burning it down' would entail. Both sides have been telling the other how the other side wants to destroy America. It's not that the Trumpers picked a side, it's that they ended up believing both sides.

Ironically the Dems have been subtle in slowing drifting towards immigration in the past month or so. Wasn't too long ago there simply wasn't an immigration problem, at least if you asked the WH. Smart move IMO and Biden hammered that home the other day with the "I'll close it down" talk. GOP has been overblowing the immigration issue since Biden got in. This could seriously downplay that as an issue heading into next year. (edit: this year)

I just rewatched it myself and agree completely.

TV ratings were much different in 2016 then they are now. The show doesn't have the reach it once had. I notice someone say republicans don't watch it and that's probably right under the Trevor Noah, but I can see clips getting shared quite a bit on social media if Stewart had a take on things. So while I doubt it could have the effect I think it could have in 2016, it still could be helpful. I think Stewart is similar to Maher in that those on the right know they are lefties, but trust that they will call out the left and not just the right. Stewart's rant on Colbert over the lab leak theory was all over right focuses media / social media. So when they have a pointed attack on the right, I feel like people on the right are more receptive in listening to the complaint versus simply trying to find a way to attack back.

I think it's over as well and eventually she'll bend the knee too. Until then though, I would love to see her attack like she finally did last night. Every republican/independent voter that thought about voting for Trump, but decides to just stay home in this upcoming election because Haley soured them on Trump, is a potential vote for her in 4 years.

I personally urge you to still consider it. Your reasoning is sound, in no way am I making light of it. That said, being politically unable to say what the Civil War was about, or say that racism was never a problem with this country, is still much further towards normalcy then a guy that is willing to parrot whatever Stephen Miller says.

The entire album isn't out yet but there is another song I almost shared called hammer and nail. The lyrics are only well known phrases which I enjoyed, but could see some thinking it was tacky/countryish. Excited for the full album though

I don't know why anyone would want to go into middle management at my company. I feel like unrealistic goals are set by upper mgmt and middle mgmt has to scrounge to meet those while not pissing off their employees. That said, i've ran into some that do nothing but cook the numbers to make upper mgmt happy and their teams are worthless.

I think I disagree, I could absolutely see him acting in disbelief if called out on it like "ummm, but they own all the convenience stores...isn't that a good thing.....for those people?"

I snickered at it, not so much because of using the old trope that Indians run all the convenience stores, but more along the lines that Trump would absolutely think that would be a perfect role for him and wouldn't even realize how racist it is.

Hopefully the entire 55k of them were at the caucuses.

His entire show, including the War Pigs cover. Would have been cool sit in for this. A Change is Gonna Come is another one he absolutely nails.

https://apnews.com/article/yemen-attacks-iran-ships-retaliation-houthis-d770a3fb0fab4c4b72e2459771833e11 This might end up being Biden most important decision of his presidency. It's looking more and more like we'll have a soft landing with this economy and this issue already started to effect shipping which would have only increased inflation if the Houthi's kept this up unchecked. Considering we went out and got a coalition together to support and back us with this in a pretty short time is good governance. Iran will respond, but it looks like we're in a good position to deal with that.

This Hunter thing is wild. Everything negative said about him is true, yet the GOP is so inept you can't help but rooting for him against them.