slothfacekilla

That's fair, I shouldn't have put words in your mouth! Whoops I can't even quote right!

Are we going to blame the Wings for Mantha too? He played for three other teams before the Penguins and turned into basically a journeyman. His best seasons before this were actually in Detroit!

Gotta admit I didn't expect all of this in the game day thread 😂

Lol Soderblom flashed skill with the Wings, the problem was that he never sustained it. It seems like the trade actually got him motivated to use his size, but we've seen that before with the Wings when he got called up after playing with Watson in Grand Rapids. But then eventually he turned back into the same player he always was. Floating around and not using his size. Good for him if this trade truly kicked him into gear for the rest of his career and he's now this .5 point per game player he was with Pitt the rest of this season (hardly what I would qualify as stud production personally). I'm more interested to see his playing style in a larger sample size when he's settled in after getting dealt. His underlying possession numbers are still bad, if you have only his Penguins sample it would be the worst of his career. We've seen this with guys like Walman, acting like he's some stud because he flashes now and then in another environment. He got paid and now he was one of the worst defensemen in the league this season. I think we need to let this one breathe before we start making sweeping indictments on the staff. I know people are mad but we have to have some context and nuance.

Both of those defenders should be embarrassed

I would do unspeakable things to get Rasmussen off this roster 😂

I imagine Wings fans would call Bedard a bust at this point if they had him

God internet Wings fans would lose their minds if they were on the Blackhawks trajectory, I can't even imagine

Judging by the deadline prices this last season I would imagine they could get a better package than Kadri brought back easily.

On the plus side, Johansson has been great. It is intriguing that in both his North American stints so far his offense has greatly improved compared to his time in Sweden. If he shows some offensive touch that would be a huge boon for the Wings. He'd be what I hoped Wallinder was going to turn out to be so it would make that sting a lot less. Maybe it is just Red Wings depression but after watching that Augustine game I don't expect Buium to ever play in the NHL

You'd have to be "content" to not have one for a little as you rebuild. It would basically be admitting this rebuild has failed and they need another. It also seems like Danielson's back injury from the preseason has been lingering, he isn't even skating right now. Not great.

I watched footage of Augustine's first game and thought he looked good. His movement and style really reminds me of Jon Quick. But good god, did Grand Rapids' defense look absolutely awful in front of him. Gustaffson especially looked like crap and I thought that Buium had a rough game not being able to keep up with his foot speed. Whatever is going on there probably has a lot to do with Cossa's current results but I was shocked to see how the team looked.

I think you could ride his Olympic popularity wave and trade him still. I'm starting to think it may be the move because he doesn't seem to be the captain/go-to guy to make a team break through plus at his age it seems like he won't be around if the Wings ever get good again. Plus I think his play style is going to age awfully since he is so reliant on speed. When he gets hurt and he can't move around well each season and then falls off a cliff it feels like a glimpse into his future to me. But I'm also still in the anger phase of the season so I'm fine with getting rid of anyone in the organization because it certainly can't get worse! I don't think Yzerman or McClellan could have done much different but at this point I don't care if anyone has any job security in the org because F it they collapsed so epically.

God this team is something........