sabretooth

If only the critics were smart like you, they would never criticize anything the Lions Mgt and coaching staff ever do. Stupid critics! They always ruin a perfectly good 1-10-1 run.

Given how every management and coaching decision by the Lions has always been correct, and that every criticism leveled by everyone against Lions' management and coaching staff has been wrong....it's a marvel that the Lions haven't advanced in the playoffs more than once in the last 60 years. I'm pretty sure that if fans criticisms were more well-thought-out, and if critics correctly credited the lion's management and coaching staff for good decision making and general brilliance, the Lions would have played a lot better, and the Lions would have had a much better record, playoff wins and championships by now. It's all the fault of the critics.....we critics really need to get our act together if the lions are ever going to be any good.

Its not....but sure, blow an argument between you and Sagnam about TO strategy way out of proportion.

What was I talking about...there is exactly 0 chance that they will even think about firing Campbell.... it would have been very close to 0 even if they lost.

Maybe Goff should run the 2 minute offense more often and see whether he/they execute better in a faster rhythm. He's a bad quarterback but he might be better in a more up tempo style. Or maybe they should just lose all the games and go for the number one pick regardless, LOL

Thanks to incredible dumb luck and very poor defensive execution by Minnesota letting Detroit get OOB to stop the clock twice....and actually hats off to Goff for some pretty good passing on the last drive. Would it kill them to play some uptempo offense other than in the last 2 minutes of a hallf?

Holy cow....very impressive

Honestly the refs hawked that play clock to the millisecond.

LOL

Yeah.

They cannot waste another season with Campbell. They must turn to Holmes and let him hire his guy ASAP.

Who the heck cares at this point

Campbell is a horrible, horrible, in-game HC. What a world class moron.

What an unbelievably stupid call by Campbell. That is as close to a disqualifying play call as you can make.

I would LOVE for you to be right 😀👍

He was quoted in numerous articles at the time as saying that he basically determined or heavily influenced when Zoom and JV were going to be brought up, Zooms bullpen conversion, and the handling of both. He made similar but less distinct comments about other players over the years, including his personal observations and how he and DD had collaborated on various roster, player development and advancement matters, and such. It was clear that DD sought and valued Leylands opinion, and that Leyland appreciated that level of confidence and teamwork.

Yes, I agree. I have said for many years that you cannot evaluate the GM independent of the owner and the manager because the 3 are intertwined in so many ways. AJ and Leyland both made positive contributions to the organization's approach to roster management, player advancement, and development. Its still the GMs show, but the right Manager is a huge difference maker.

Nobody said we were going to get anything better, either.

Getting Correa would be far more valuable than any so-so pitcher we might get. We are not getting Correa in any case.

Yeah, he's a top 15 second baseman. He finished the year with a 105 wRC+, right where he's been from 2019 - 2021, and that places him at 13th among 2bman according to Fangraphs, ahead of Frazier, Merrifield, and Segura hitting-wise...or if you prefer wOBA, he's 15th, basically tied with the same three other guys. That's a nice place to be, and a solid 2 WAR player at that position. The only reason his WAR was less in 2021 was because he played a lot of 1B. We might be a **little** short of the playoffs as currently constructed, but only if you assume that 85 wins is a little short. I think we have a very good shot at the postseason, especially if they acquire one more decent SP like Kikuchi, Duffy, Archer, or Smyly. Well, yeah, if Tork and Greene pull a Kelenic than you can forget about the playoffs. Tork and Greene need to provide them with fairly good production for at least most of the season (400+ PA, 2+ WAR each). If one or both of them fail to launch, then we will struggle to have a winning record, much less make the playoffs. Manning also has to get it together and put up decent numbers....it's time for him to put up or shut up, he was a 2016 top-10 1st round draft pick, and he's turning 25. He needs to give us 150+ IP with a league-average ERA or better or he's drifting into bust territory.

For some reason, I could not place text outside of the box above.....overall, I think you are on target....the bullpen as a whole (including bad/negative-WAR relievers) was 3.5 in 2021, and I think it will be about the same in 2022. I would bump up Mize from 2 to 3, and Miggy from -1 to Zero.... Overall, I think we agree that the aggregate WAR will be about 37 or so, good for about 85 wins as a team.

And just to clarify, I'm against rooting for a better division of spoils, because the only mechanism for achieving that outcome too easily results in the stoppage of play. To the extent that the sides could negotiate contracts without stopping play (it has happened sometimes), I would be in favor of the process, and I would root for the better division of spoils....but as it is, I see rooting for either side as being practically antithetical to the interest of fans.

Yeah it definitely rubs me the wrong way when people try to gin up personal sympathy for the revenue demands of pro athletes. In a perfect world everything would be fair, but in reality, whether these guys get around what they are worth or "only" get millions of $ shouldnt matter at all to anyone but the players and owners, nor could the $ sharing outcome one way or another have even the slightest impact on anyone outside of professional athletes. In fact the only possible way in which the outcome, in terms of the sharing of dollars, can have any impact on us as fans (and its not a big impact), is if we as fans **choose** to personally invest in and give credibility to the supposed philosophical or moral importance of how much the owners get versus the players (I cant think of any good reason why any fan should care). To me this is the flip side problem to to the tanking insanity that has a grip on some fans. There is no way in hell that I can understand why a fan would want their team to lose on the field in order for the owner to save money on the acquisition of talent. And yet there are numerous fans who are clearly very personally invested in this concept and cheer on huge losing seasons so that the owner can save money on the acquisition of talent through the draft. So in both cases above we have fans who think like anti-fans, that is against the interests of fans, to see baseball on the field on a continuous basis that is reasonably competitive and free of very damaging scandals, and to see our team win. The pursuit of both objectives (the more perfect division of spoils or tanking) as stated always works against the interest of fans. That's why I am opposed to fans investing themselves in tanking and/or rooting for a better division of spoils for the players, or for the owners (though I dont recall seeing an actual argument from fans specifically in favor of owners getting more of a share than they currently are, nor have I seen such an argument from owners).

I have an interest as a fan in watching baseball, and having a system that self-perpetuates with a reasonable amount of competitiveness. If they harden the existing luxury tax system into more of a true salary cap, I guess I don't really care. I feel kind of connected to the players and to the Tigers and ownership (as well as all of the MLB and MiLB) in the broadest "corporate" sense - i.e., we share a common interest. Beyond that, I don't care at all how the spoils are split up. The vast majority of this discussion seems to involve the projection of posters' individual preference to identify with highly skilled non-management personnel vs. what is perceived to be largely unskilled management (in AAs case, I can see why one would feel this way 😉). I am not criticizing that attitude, but it is not one that I have an personal investment in one way or another. I don't really give a tinker's damn about the sharing of revenues between owners and players, or who is to blame, or the share of $$ among players. My entire interest as a fan is to keep the game on the field, and in reasonably good shape from a competitiveness standpoint, though I think salary caps can be overdone. Beyond that, the whole debate is too academic or personalistic to hold my interest.