sabretooth

You've just described the Tigers under AA so far.

Your "Model 1" is not a model, it's poor management and poor player development. In a word, the Tigers under AA. Any examples of your Model 2?

Don't get me wrong, I want a ring, but I would not tolerate 110 loss seasons most of the time to win one ring every 10-15 years. I want a mostly good team that can make the playoffs and thus win a ring when there, vs. a team that mostly sucks, is designed to suck dramatically for long stretches, and makes the playoffs less frequently, and also might win a ring when there.

My goodness, Chet Lemon finished his career with nearly 2,000 hits, over 200 HR, and an OPS+ of 121 over nearly 7,900 PAs, and 55 WAR. I had no idea he had such a great career, and he never really fizzled out, despite playing CF his whole career. What a stud.

1987 was just great. The final clincher against the Jays. Frank Tanana. Scott Lusader. Bill Madlock. Matt Nokes. Darrell Evans being picked off 3rd. Without looking, can anybody tell me who led the Tigers in saves in 1987 and how many saves he had? Hint: it wasn't Willie Hernandez or Mike Henneman, and it was less than 10 saves.

I prefer where I am, but the correct group does serve better whiskey, so there is that.

I remember the 2006 Tigers. I remember the 2012 Tigers. I have great and fond memories of these teams. I even remember the 1975 Red Sox....I didn't watch a single game, since I was only 5 years old, but I remember them because everybody else remembers them. I can go on and on with very memorable teams that didn't win a ring. It would be a miserable universe where winning the ring is the only point of playing or following a sport.

For some people, the only real point to watching a team is to see it win the championship. Everything else is failure. Let's take two kind of realistic examples of teams that mostly win (Model #1), and teams that mostly lose (Model #2): - Model #1: team that wins 90-100 games for 7 out of 10 years, does so-so for two years, and has one bad season out of 10, and wins zero championships in 10 years is actually worse than - Model #2: a team that loses 90-110 games every year for 7 years out of 10 years, then does so-so for two years, then in the 10th year, makes the playoffs and wins the championship. Furthermore, the guy that prefers Model #2 is convinced that Model #2 is "more successful" than Model #1 BECAUSE the 100+ loss seasons supposedly set up the championship season by providing relatively cheap high-1st-round-tanking pick talent.....and thus Model #2 teams avoid signing Free Agents who might require larger multi-year contracts in their late 20's/early 30's.....Model #2 owners spend less money, and that's the second most important metric, behind championship rings. The poor unfortunate fans of Model #1 teams have marginally fewer championship seasons, and suffer the indignity of having teams with league-average (or higher!) payrolls. I know which one I prefer.

Some folks can't seem to understand what is meant by "here is what the Tigers should have done" or "here is what the Tigers should do". When they respond by saying "they didn't do that" or "they won't do that", they are missing the point.

Though I'm not a big fan of Barnhart, you're right, that would be a damn nice (and pretty young!) IF until Schoop's contract runs out.

Thank you for saying this and I agree. I realize that Chris I has to cut the checks for Miggy's bloated salary, but the idea that we have to have a bottom-dwelling payroll WITH Miggy's salary BECAUSE of Miggy's salary is complete BS. Furthermore, the whole idea that you can win with any consistency without taking significant financial risks is at heart of this stupid and pointless exercise in intentional losing since the second half of 2017.

It's a bit of a toss-up, but I think Seager's injuries were either mild/one-and-done (the hammy in 2019), or have been corrected (UCL in 2018), or were incidental and healed (broken hand on pitched ball, 2021). Correa's injuries have been more worrisome (the back, especially at such a young age) or just strange (the neck and massage injuries a couple of years ago). He appears to have learned from his on-field injuries relative to sliding, so there is that. Of course, I defer to those with experience/expertise in the area of sports health. I can only spitball at these things as as fan.

Correa may turn into one of those guys that is more productive in his 30's than in his 20's. It would be nice to see him stay healthy for a couple of years in a row. I have a feeling that whoever gets him will be disappointed in the end, mostly due to not being on the field enough.

I think Chris is a very cautious guy, which for a savvy businessman is a strength, from the standpoint of making reliable profits. He seems to lack his dad's killer instinct, unpredictability, panache. That's OK, and I think it will make AA sleep better at night, and it will avoid some pitfalls for the Tigers..... ....but I also think it will make Chris miss some opportunities to make good profits **and** build a better team on the field....it might mean that this team never really gets over the hump. Time will tell.

Correa is amazing, but frankly, I think Seager is the more durable/reliable option. I would take Story over Semien. Any of them would make me very happy.

I would love to read an article about Chris I getting angry about something.

Here we are now.

Nothing you have said even remotely relates to what I was saying.

To temper my critique, I could certainly see the huge interest in Lee May, who was an outstanding power hitter in his prime. And Morgan didnt have the head-turning stats at the time of the trade, turning on the power and average hitting after he joined the Reds at age 28. Incredibly, Morgan amassed 27 WAR with Houston by age 27, which is good, but he added over 70 WAR afterwards in the ensuing 13 years, playing as a regular with over 500 PAs almost every season through the age of 40, with an OPS+ over 100 every year, way more BB than Ks, and a WAR of 2.1 or better in 11 of those 13 seasons....including a 5.1 WAR at the age of 38 with the Giants in 1982.

There really shouldnt be a lot of conceen about Storys Home/Road splits. This is a fairly common problem for Rockies players, once they adapt to playing 81 games in the thinner air, which reduces the level of break on pitches. These adjustments negatively impact their performance on the road. Once they go to another team, the successful ones readjust and Home/Road splits return to normal.

Ridiculous

Dont disagree...I'm talking about what they need to do to make the playoffs in 2022, not what they will do. I believe that they are going to shoot for a low payroll. Trading at the deadline is an option, but I dont think that will be likely to succeed for a host of reasons.

Which of the above players disproves my point about the lack of successful development?

What were they smoking in Houston

I'm a numbers guy and I think fairly objective but I absolutely love when fans have irrational hatred for players and teams.... It's the spice of sports fandom