Tiger337

You just told us.

I can change my mind, but the evidence needs to be convincing. People told me that AJ Hinch was was the best manager ever. I told them that managers don't matter. Now, I agree that Hinch is a great manager, the best I've followed closely. Then when I give him credit for the Tigers winning, people get MAD. Some people can just never be happy. 😐

They were able to sign Victor Martinez, Pudge Rodriguez , Magglio Ordonez and Miguel Cabrera (prior to free agency) before the 2011-2014 window. Signing at the end of the window would have been a mistake.

I don't think that's true. Under Dombrowski, the Tigers sometimes signed expensive free agents by making over the top offers. I don't suggest they should or will do that now, but players can be bought.

It can't happen if you don't try! I have resigned myself though to the idea that the Tigers are not likely going to sign that level of free agent, not this year and maybe never. Hopefully, they can keep their own stars in the future.

One WAR is worth about 9 million and Bregman is projected to be 3.5-4.0 WAR, so that comes out right. How many years he can do that is certainly questionable, but his contract should be worth it in the early years.

Very true. You can build a system that gives you a steady flow of good prospects and that is something I am hoping this administration can do. However, you can never know when it will all gel together into a winner.

You can never project pitching that far ahead anyway because most of them will get derailed by injuries. That's why when you have a stud like Skubal, you've got to go for it.

FanGraphs has those two at 3.5, so that's 13 total for 6 players. I am not saying thay can't reach as high as you stated. Just trying to give an unbiased estimate.

FanGraphs projects 9.4 combined for those 4 players.

He has also re-signed Flaherty and Finnegan. So, basically, we have the same team coming back plus a 38-year old relief pitcher. That's the same team that went through an epic collapse last year. It's also mostly the same team that made an epic comeback in 2024 and was arguauably the best performing team in the first half of 2025. So, what do they have? I was hoping for more and there is still time.

Oh, I figured out what it is... By the way, I see that he went to the same high school as Mark Fidrych.

What don't you like about Matt Shaw, the person?

Mize pitched like an allstar for a couple of months, but I wouldn't call him allstar caliber based on his whole body of work. If he pitches the same next year as last year, I'd say he is an average starter. I do think they could get Max Anderson for him, but that's pretty close to Chas's stated 10-20 range. He's right around 10 depending on the list. I wouldn't be OK with that, but they might get a little more. Still, I'd rather have Mize than anything they could get.

I don't trust Olson to stay healthy. I'm not even sure he's healthy now. Anderson is going to be 32 and has never done anything in the Majors, so I'm not expecting a lot from him despite his big season in Korea. Bassitt is old, but has consistently pitched 170+ solid innings per year. He's not exciting, but I like his chances this year better than Anderson.

I wonder how **** Allen would have reacted to arbitration?

Dombrowski did not like the process and wanted to avoid it every year.

I could imagine Eduardo Rodriguez going into a passive aggressive snit.

But if the Tigers had offered 25 million, the mid-point becomes 28.5. So, they would have better chance of winning. Offering 19 makes sense if you think that the arbitrator will arrive at a figure between 19 and 25.5. I am assuming that is what they think. Either that, or they underestimated the 32 million figure.

I turned 11 after the 1973 season, so I saw a 90 loss season at age 11 and 102 loss season at age 12. My Tigers glory years were from age 13 (Mark Fidrych in 1976) to age 23 (1987, the best Tigers pennant race ever).

Edman will probably learn that lesson in 20 years! Hopefully, he will see another Tigers championship by then. And hopefully, you and are still able to understand what's happening at that time.

Just like everything else in the world.

That too. I don't know why people get worked up about random power rankings based on opinions.

I see #1 in the AL Central. That's gets them into the playoffs. Once that happens, anything is possible.

The best part of this arbitration discussion is that it demonstrates that there are posters here that are even nerdier than me. 😉