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I think it would only be a third round pick. However, I understand your point. Somebody might do that, but probably not Harris.

I think the only way the Tigers sign a good free agent is if some pitcher is not happy with his offers and signs a one year show me deal with a team with a good pitching coach and a pitchers park. Michael King?

Only when they win the World Series.

Most of you argument here sounds ridiculous to me, but I'll address the part about player development which is the only way I can see where Harris might have contributed to players already here. Which players did Harris develop and in what way? Greene and Carpenter were pretty well developed prior to Harris. Torkelson figured things out on his own working with someone outside the organization. I guess you could say Dingler, but what's your evidence? What did he do for Manning and Mize? Skubal was already getting good prior to Harris and Fetter is widely credited with his becoming elite. Your argument just seems completely biased to me.

Because then they wouldn't get the minor leaguer from the Blue Jays who is going to be a star.

These kinds of "free" players are always worth a shot. I'm mostly just joking about the injured pitcher thing.

Smith objectively had minimal impact on the 2006 Tigers unless you think Inge was the heart and soul of the team. There is really no case you can make that the 2006 team was Smith's team. There is no grey area. There is plenty of grey area regarding Avila versus Harris. Avila provided the manager, the players and the pitching coach. Harris added hardly anything in terms of new players, so this makes the comparison less clear cut than Dombrowski/ Smith. Your argument is all based on intangibles - development and culture - which are probably somewhat true but the extent is questionable and impossible to prove. My argument here is that if Harris acquired the Randy Smith team and made the same level of contribution he had made to this team, they would not have made the playoffs.

Looking at the top 12 WAR players, Inge is the only one acquired by Randy Smith.

I don't agree with that at all. He'd like to have a great team and he may get one eventually. I'm just saying that his impact on the 2024-2025 is being overstated.

I know this by seeing that the manager and almost all the key players on the 2006 roster were acquired by Dombrowski. Dombrowski tore the team apart and built a winner in 4 years.

Chas, last time this argument came up, you provided a chart that showed that attendance or television viewership went up with more victories. Do you still have that? KL seems to be suggesting that you either have a championship caliber team or not and nothing below that will affect fan interest. I don't believe that is true.

Dombrowski had a lot more to do with winning in 2006 than Harris did in 2025. At the same time, I think Harris has a very good chance to be a better GM long-term than Dombrowski.

The Tigers are all set. They just got their injured pitcher:

We didn't even get socks. They took away our tramsistor radio as a punishment and then gave it back as a gift for Christmas.

Still need to sign an injured pitcher.

Yes, in one lost year, it is good to get a high pick, but if it requires gutting your organization to do so, that's going to lead to several lost years. It worked for the Astros, but it doesn't usually work that well.

Chas and I are agreeing on something again. Feels good. 😄

Not the kind of re-building where your team is crap for 3 or more years. That's not necessary.

Average is deceptive, because there is a small number of top players that inflate it. The median player is much closer to zero. It is good to get high picks, but the value gets overstated. I don't believe the risk/reward is worth going through multiple years of crap teams to try to get good again.

I've been told that tanking is a necessary part of baseball for small and mid market teams, but I've never believed it.

They can make the playoffs and thus compete for a ring. I'd just like a little push to make it more likely.

Good question. Why do so many teams do that? I think it's more owners wanting to save money on salaries during lean years than anything else. I means it's good to get high draft picks because a moderate percentage do end up making good contributions, so if you collect enough of them, you'll get some hits. However, I have never been a proponent of deliberate total re-builds.

Chatgtp did not used to to have links which is why I stopped using it. It's good to hear that it now does. edit: I just compared chatgtp to perplexity on a couple of searches. Perplexity gave sources and chatgtp did not. So, maybe chatgtp sometimes gives sources but not consistently.

I will be happy (and I expect him to be Tiger), but I'd like it even better if more talent was added to support him.