Tiger337

Nothing has really happened to him. He is still leading a life of luxury, still scamming people, still very popular and polling no worse than before, still getting all the attention he craves. America can not quit Trump.

Good points. yes, LOB% is largely luck. Conversely BABIP looks lucky in the other direction. FIP-, xFIP are about average.

Soft tossing southpaw with a feast of famine statcast summary:

Stacked with pitching? How many of those will make it through the end of next year without getting hurt? They seem to do a good job with pitchers but their overall run prevention is still 21st in MLB. I would also like to see them concentrate on position players, but the free agent market looker thinner in that area this off-season. So, their best effort to try to be more competive next season is to add a pitcher.

The players only broadcast this weekend sounds like a **** show - Monroe, Jones, Gibson , Rozema. At least Gibson and Rozema might have some good stories.

Name a pitcher like that who can be signed to an affordable 3-4 year deal.

I believe it's just a fluke as he had a normal split last year. However, righties don't typically have as much trouble with same handed pitchers as lefties do, so I don't know that he'll need to be platooned. I think the question with him will be whether he hits enough to compensate for his lack of fielding skill.

Maybe his personal problem was more serious than other people's personal problems. Or maybe he is just entitled and lazy. He was physically able to pitch, but maybe he was mentally unable to pitch. Some people don't perfom well when they are dealing with mental issues. Either way he's not helping the team when he's not playing just like he was injured. What do you think of **** Allen? He seems like a comparable person, with all his personal problems and contract squabbles. Would you not want him on your team?

It is a factor, but pitchers are so fragile that I almost expect them to miss some time during the season now. A "flake out" is no different from an injury for me. He is a talented pitcher, but not especially durable.

Which would make him a bargain if he pitches to his talent level.

I want them to have at least one good veteran pitcher next year. If extending him is ther best way to get one, then I have no problem with it. Right now, his remaining contract is 3 years/48 million which would likely be a bargain in the open market. 4 years/68 million would be reasonable. There are some good free agents (maybe including Rodriguez) available which might be better and also might be more costly. I hope they get one of them.

He was pretty good for the first three months this year. Now he sucks again.

I remember that well. I laughed because he knew the emory board was in there and he deliberately tossed it pretending that he had no idea it was in there. His excuse was that he needed to file his finger nails in order to throw the knuckleball properly.

I feel like Martinez never got as much appreciation as he deserved. The top Tigers in OPS+ in at at least 1,500 PA: Cobb 171 Greenberg 161 Heilmann 149 JD Martinez 147 Crawford 145 Cabrera 141 Cash 139 Tettleton 135 Cullenbine 135 Kaline 134 https://stathead.com/baseball/player-batting-season-finder.cgi?request=1&match=player_season_combined&order_by=b_onbase_plus_slugging_plus&ccomp[1]=gt&cstat[1]=b_onbase_plus_slugging_plus&ccomp[2]=gt&cval[2]=1500&cstat[2]=b_pa&team_id=DET&comp_id[]=AL

That goes without saying for almost every player. The only exceptions might be a Detroit native or life long Tiger.

All I want is a consistent winner. If they do it with a bunch of cooperative guys or like the 1970s Athletics it is not important. to me. Chances are they'll get along better in their good years than in their bad years regardless of who is on the team.

That sounds like bull**** that management people say all the time. I am hoping they are better at it than the previous administration, but I think those are the kind of things that all management people want. They'll make exceptions if a **** like Doyle Alexander is unbeatable for two months.

When it comes to building a team culture, I leave that totally up to the team. I don't think that is something fans really know about. The players may very well like Rodriguez and be sympathetic to whatever his problems are. The Tigers have a history of malcontents, who were important parts of some great teams. Two notable examples are Ty Cobb and Denny McLain.

Ideally, they get one guy for multiple years plus another Lorenzen/Boyd type. I don't know if they are ready for that commitment, but that is my hope.

yeah, I wouldn't be totally against it, but it may be better to let him opt out and see what they can get in free agency.

I have changed my thoughts on possibly extending him. I don't necessarily want him gone because he's a difficult person. That's not a concern of mine, but extending him feels unnecessary. I want them to add a good pitcher or two to go with Mize/Manning/Skubal and their cast of prospects, but after looking at the list of free agent pitchers again, I think they should be able to get what they need without extending Rodriguez.

I still hope he opts in because he is a good pitcher and that would be a good three-year contract for the Tigers. It would also be easier to move him at next year's deadline with no opt out involved and 2 1/2 years remaining.

It's all speculation and hypotheticals at this point, but this was my thought.

It was a difficult process due to the nature of his contract, but I have got to believe that there other teams that wanted a pitcher of Rodriguez's caliber and would have returned something of value. I think the problem was figuring out to make the contract work.