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I think Ripken was legitimately one of the all-time great shortstops. Durability and strong fielding counts a lot at shortstop. He is probably #3 behind Wagner and Rodriguez. You could maybe move Vaughn ahead of him. I might move Ripken a little higher on the top 100 list, but I don't think he is grossly over or under rated here. Gehringer is under rated because he was quiet and there are no interesting stories about him.

I don't understand what you mean. Charleston and Gibson were better than Gehringer based on the data. You can't really compare stats like that, but based on the measures, they were better. Ty Cobb is a different story.

Did ESPN do their top 50 yet? Jeter will probably be top 5.

The available data online are from actual league play, so it wouldn't be watered down by weaker barnstorming opponents. It is true that there was a smaller pool since there were fewer Blacks than Whites, but there is also a larger pool now compared to pre-integration. I think it's highly probable that the best Negro League players were as good as the best white players. If you look at the performance in the three decades after integration, half of the top 40 hitters by WAR were black players. I think it's safe to say that the superstars of the Negro Leagues would also have been superstars in the White leagues. You are right that you can't rank them precisely, but you can't really do that with different eras either. Another thing is that the Black teams fared very well in head to head games versus white teams. You can say those were just exhibition games, but White MLB teams dominated White minor league teams at the same time. I think they would have liked to dominate the black teams too, but they couldn't. Yeah, there is still a lot of guess work, but the more I look at it, the more I think it's possible to come up with a reasonable ranking.

I don't know if that's that much more difficult than ranking between eras.

I just learned that David Ortiz was better than Kaline, Greenberg and Gehringer.

Instead, half of our so called leaders are trying to convince the world that they are not effective.

Huge day for the market finally.

Arrogance is entertaining if (1) You can back it up. (2) You are genuinely confident and not just showing off I think Henderson was both. I don't care for some of the stuff they do today where each player tries to one up the previous bat flip or strikeout dance or plans it ahead of time. I don't really care. If they are enjoying themselves, then it's fine, but I don't find it entertaining.

The Clintons were seen at that site a month ago. That is not a coincidence.

MLB owners are most conservative of all sports. Even moreso than NASCAR. https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/s10101-022-00266-1?sharing_token=wVvYTstALZAE5xGV71Pegfe4RwlQNchNByi7wbcMAY6GrNIhOmlV9vQfoqf50ey1Abm9PjPHrp-ypSZBXyQx_ey-vk7MTi7KJeosCg-YENHFsaTAwklWO2jjQ_A_VBJix6ToyhiAhFfKTW6G0b68M3OyCn4idy8x79yhBVeheec%3D

The 1980 game started at 8 and lasted 3:45. I think there was a rain delay which brought it up to 1:00. I liked when the leagues were separate and there was no interleague play. The all-star game and World Series were more fun because it was the only time the leagues would meet. There were always debates about which league was better - not only in talent but style of play. In the 70s, the NL was regarded as being more speedy, athletic and tough. There was no agreement on talent. Whichever league your favorite team was in was the superior league. The NL used to win the all-star game all the time..but not the World Series.

I remember staying up for that. I was not happy that it ended in a tie.

It seems like they should have done this a long time ago. They did start raising interest rates in 2018, but Trump intimidated them into dropping them again further kicking the can down the road. .

I see some so called experts telling us there is going to be a massive crash. Others say it's still a bull market. I say it's all bullshit. Nobody knows what is going to happen next.

Tucker Carlson is a worthless shill for MAGA. There is no reason to even watch the video.

Yes, every president gets blamed when things are going bad for the country regardless of fault. I doln't think there is much chance he would win re-election right now.

Yeah, it was definitely well known that athletes were using the stuff. I remember people talking about it in the 80s.

I believe McGwire left the PEDs visible in his locker during the 1998 season when everyone was enjoying the home run chase. There was some discussion about it, but it was then swept under the carpet because the home run explosion was good for publicity.

I often wonder whether PEDs would have become such a big deal if Bonds didn't break McGwire's record. It seemed like nobody really cared about PEDs until Bonds broke the record. It's not like they didn't know athletes were taking them. When I heard about football players using it many years before that, I just assumed it was being used in all sports.

The musuem already does celebrate the history of the game and its players. Bonds is in there. Rose is in there. The plaque room is different. I think it should include all the greatest players.

I don't care either. It makes me dislike him as a person, but it has nothing to do with his baseball performance. I wouldn't have voted for him because he wasn't that great of a plyer. I think Schilling is the biggest dick ever and I still would have voted for him.

Oh I see you already said that! I was just looking at the chart.

Another thing I'd like to see them do is require that all ballots be public. The private ballots tend to be writers that don't vote for many players. This is not a presidential election. It's sports. You would think that sports writers would want to make their votes public and talk about them.