Tiger337

Judge deserved it. You could make a case that the daily grind of catching and the potential contributions that catchers make to pitcher management are not captured by numbers, but you can't claim any bias. The numbers that Judge put up are insane at ANY position.

The old Baseball Prospectus WARP positional adjustment was based on offensive performance. The WAR positional adjustment is based on fielding performance of multi-position players. I have been looking around this morning to learn more about it and there isn't a lot out there. These adjustments were determined more than ten years ago and I can't find any recent articles confirming it's validity for more recent plyers. You would think the data would be better now with more multi-position players in today's game.

The writers still like the RBI. It shows that he is clutch.

Probably for the same reasons that many multi-millionaire businessmen scam people.

I don't know the details, but you can be sure that Tango took age into strong consideration. He has done a lot of studies on aging curves. My only question would be whether multi-position players are a representative sample.

I am not sure I understand your question, but the way Tango figured out positional adjustments was to take all the players who played a good number of games at multiple positions and determine how much better they did at each position compared to the average at those positions. For example, a player who played both 1b and shortstop, might have been 10 runs better than the average at firsbase, but 6 runs per average worse than he average shortstop. If you aggregate that data for all players who played both positions, you can estimate the gap between the positions.

Do we know for sure that the Tigers offered significantly more than any other team? The Astros reportedly also offered six years, but he wanted more than that. The Red Sox offered more per annum than the Tigers which it turned out was preferable to Bregman. Now, he gets to be a free agent again.

Is that's what you were asking the whole time? On B-ref, the positional adjustment is included in both OWAR and DWAR, so as you noticed they don't add to WAR. I think it's done so you can compare players at different positions separately for both offense and defense. OWAR kind of makes sense. It's like the old BP WARP before they had defensive measures. Putting the adjustment into DWAR is not very useful since the adjustment was already made in OWAR. This is the second time we have had this discussion and I finally think I understand what you were asking! I agree with you, assuming that's what you were asking! I think Gehringer asked something different which threw me off.

I was wondering why the Tigers needed to drop Lange to make room for Darnell since I thought their 40-man roster was at 39. Then I saw they had signed Jack Little. Harris is wheeling and dealing! Jack Little sounds like a name you come up with a little too fast when you need a fake identity,

Harris is making bold moves already! It's going to be a wild off-season.

Because playing shortstop contributes more value to winning games than playing first base. Similarly playing first base contributes a little more value to winning games than being a dh. What if they all started out at zero (as Echoes suggested) and you added 25 points for being a shortstop and 5 points for being a frst baseman . The designated hitter stays at zero. The next step is to add or subtract points for being a good or bad fielder at your position. Again the designated hitter can not gain or lose any points here. Does this make more sense? You would end up with the same result.

So, do you think the DH should get no points subtracted for his fielding, but it's OK for the first baseman to lose 1.2 points just for being a first baseman? How is that fair? Or is it just the presentation that bothers you? The points that a first baseman loses does not represent defensive runs lost by the first baseman. The first baseman gets positional points subtracted for the same reason a DH gets points subtracted. It's just a way to separate the contribution of a shortstop from a player who plays a less challenging positon. I don't really care about the business side of the game. I use WAR as a back of the napkin way to compare players total contribution to his team. I don't know if they did the positional adjustments exactly right, but if I am comparing two players and one is a shortstop and one is a DH, I need to to give the shortstop credit for playing a position which the DH can't play. The presentation could be better, but I don't think there is a logic error.

Then there was that time Cabrera got drunk in a bar in Florida, got thrown out and later got stopped for drunk driving. Then they had to let it go, because the cops bragged about how they nailed a famous athlete.

Maybe they do it elsewhere, but I don't really see anybody here doing what Edman said. It is mostly posters talking about who they hope he signs or others talking sardonically about how he'll only sign injured pitchers and waiver wire guys.

If he is making decisions based on small samples, then I don't want him!

He always walked too many batters.

What I see more often is people explaining why Harris or Ilitch won't like any player and how no player will want to play for the Tigers so it doen't matter anyway.

They are still the best position player team I have ever seen that stayed together for several years. They could hit, hit for power, field, run and they had personality! Their pitching was not the best, but good enough to win with that team.

Comerica Park would suppress his home runs a bit (which isn't his strength anyway). I don't see why it would hurt his ability to get hits, draw walks, avoid strikeouts which are his strengths. He might lose some doubles, but make up for it in triples. His 110 PA in Comerica don't tell me a lot.

I just looked up Bichette's fielding numbers. They are worse than I thought. They say McGonigle might not stay at shortstop, but Bichette may not either. Bregman has always been the perfect fit for the Tigers, exactly what Harris says he wants. The question, of course, is his age. I suspect his bat will last longer than most because he is all about plate discipline, but his fielding make be gone soon and then if his offense does NOT last, they would get screwed by a 5-year deal.

And you helped me write up the defensive measures!

There were posters freaking out in this forum because the Tigers let their "two best players" go after 2003 - Randall Simon and Juan Acevedo.

yes they can sign now.

Assuming a team has 13 position players on their roster, they could have 5 who play every day plus 8 platoon players.

I think that bigger stronger players are staying at shortstop rather than moving to other positions. It could be that modern strength and agility training allows them to do that. There are also more players playing multiple positions which makes statistical analysis more challenging.