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II wouldn't joke about something like that. 😃 I would not have had a problem if Cabrera led off especially since those Tigers teams had some pretty good power hitters to go with him. I always thought he should have batted secod. I also have no problem with Greene leading off. The Tigers have so few good hitters that I don't want them losing hits and baserunners by subtracting at bats from their best hitter. Another reason Greene might be leading off instead of batting second which is statistically optimal is that he has not really been a big home run hitter until recently. He just now appears to emerging into a home run hitter where he was more of an OBP guy previously. If that trend continues, I can see him being moved to the second spot, so they can optimize run scoring and RBI opportunities even though they'd be losing some of his at bats. The days where a team's best hitter bats third are fading away and I am glad the Tigers have a modern manager who recognizes that.

If he stops hitting, he still might be better than half the hitters in the line-up. And batting Greene leadoff because he'll get more at bats is perfectly justifiable. I'd probably put him second, but I have no problem with Hinch's batting orders.

I am happy that he is off to a good start. Why wouldn't I be? Just because I am not convinced that he is as good as his start suggests does not mean I am unhappy with his start. You are the one saying that he is their second best hitter because he has a .950 OPS. That suggests that you think he'll do that all the time which would make him a star. Thus, my sarcastic comment. You said that Hinch must think he's their best hitter because he is batting 3rd. I was pointing out that the optimal line-up has the 4th or 5th best hitter hitting 3rd, so Hinch might think that he is their 4th ot 5th best hitter. That comment was about line-ups and your antiquated assumption that the best hitter should bat third.

Not a lot of risk for the Tigers.

I don't think anything should be based on hot streaks because they can end at any time. Line-ups should be based oln what the manager thinks hitters will do long-term

I see it as much with him as I do with Perez.

How do I get one of those?

I don't think batting Perez in front of Greene is going to make any difference in the ability to score runs. I would wager that Hinch agrees.

I am hopeful about Malloy too.

I meant he has no MLB track record. His minor league on base track record is good. I hope he sustains it in the majors.

Fire AJ Hinch!

I get it. His hot start proves that he is superstar!!!

I know what he has done in the minors. He has no major league track record. Again I am hopeful. I am just not one to hyperventilate over prospects with less than two weeks in the majors.

Maybe because he is their 4th or 5th best hitter. That's who bats third in the modern line-up. And I am not dismissing Perez at all. I am hopeful about him. I just think you are getting overly excited about a hot streak.

Well if Perez is going to be an allstar, by all means, bat him second! For now, I am happy with Greene batting second. And again, if their bottom 4 guys are going to suck all year, it's just not going to matter where anyone bats.

Perez does not have any kind of track record, so I am not building an order around him. I am fine with Canha leading off and Greene batting second. Over the course of a season, Greene would lose about 36 PA by batting 3rd instead of first. It's fun to talk about batting orders, but Having Geene bat third instead of first is probably worth maybe 5 runs over the course of a season and I am not sure it would go in the direction you think. In the end, batting orders are not that important especially when you've got 4 or 5 .450 OPS guys playing regularly.

Lots of guys finish strong in the minors and then can't sustain anything in the majors. He is intriguing, but I am not ready to build my line-up around him!. There was a lot of excitement about Baddoo and Meadows initially too.

No, I didn't refute myself. Tork has been struggling for over a month now making his long-term projections look worse. Austin Riley is off to a slow start as well, but you wouldn't move him down in the order because he has enough of a track record to suggest that he will start hitting soon. Tork does not have a sustained track record, so it makes since to move him down after more than a month of not hitting.

What if your best hitter is batting third and your first or second hitter makes the last out before he comes to bat?

I don't know how much Perez can get on base long term. He has potential, but he wasn't doing it in AAA early this year so this could just be a hot streak. Everybody got all excited about Meadows last season and now look at him.

Well, it would be nice if they had Greene in front of him!

Hinch knows they have a run scoring problem. That is due to having ****ty hitters. You can line them up anyway you want and they still are not going to score runs they way they have performed so far. He is lining hitters up according to how he thinks they will perform long term based mostly (I assume) on statistical projections. He's not going to base his line-up on short-term cold or hot streaks which could end any day. He didn't have Tork near the top of the order because he expected him to suck. He probably had him there based on how he hit at the end of last season. That wasn't working, so he moved him down after a period of time.

If you have two .850 OPS guys as your best hitters over the course of a season, then they are approximately equally good hitters. You'd probably put them batting #1 and #2 with the better on base guy leading off.

Small sample size. Line-ups should not depend on small sample sizes.

I think he was referring to this: "I prefer the traditional location for the best hitter in the lineup: #3 spot." That has been shown statistically to be a less optimal choice that the best hitter batting first or second. It's certainly possible that some line-ups could benefit from the best hitter batting third depending on the team personnel, but having your best hitter third is not a great idea in general.