MichiganCardinal

Jim Harbaugh can have my first born. There I said it.

I’m drunk and have no intention of stopping. This team!!!!

I don’t want to put the cart before the horse but if they keep it up there will be discussion for Michigan at #1…. I think I would rather play Cincinnati than Georgia. The matchup is slightly better.

Let’s GO

They didn’t disable their phones, my understanding is that it was taken in the search warrant. I haven’t seen anything that says they were near Oxford for three nights, but I could be wrong on that I’m at a bar for the UM game and didn’t look it up. Either way, they couldn’t be home while a search warrant was executed and the media was an absolute circus, let alone the death threats they were getting. Their attorney said in open court that they were going to turn themselves in the next day at 7:30am. Shannon Smith is not going to put her career on the line for these two.

Hate is very strong. I definitely have an inherent distrust though. Per the arraignment (I can’t find a recording or direct quote), their attorney was in constant contact with the clients throughout Thursday, and planned to meet them at 52-3 Court at 7:30am Saturday. Yes I believe that. If the parent or bartender provided a minor with alcohol they’re guilty of a crime notwithstanding what else happened. Different. Here, the parents were not guilty of a crime (or at least have not been charged) except that their kid took the gun out of the home and did what he did.

Every deep pass they’ve taken tonight has been off by 10+ yards

Great read by Cade on that

Anytime it’s reviewed you hold your breath. When they watch it over and over in slow motion, you can see things that just didn’t happen. That was not forcible contact.

Phew

I’ll take trading 3s for 7s all night

I said within that I did not know if it would be found to be involuntary manslaughter, and closed with saying it would be intriguing to follow. I am not standing on some pedestal saying that the parents are innocent and should be released at once, I'm saying that I don't know if this has ever been done before (going after the parents of a child perpetrator criminally), and that there is a strong defense to be made on that basis alone, irrespective of the evidence one way or the other. If they wanted to go to Canada, or Florida, or Mexico, or virtually anywhere in the World, they were free to do so until about 2:00pm on Friday when the judge signed the warrant. If they planned to, why would they have hung out a 30-minute drive from the jail where they now sit? Based on the defense attorney's statements in the parents arraignment, McDonald was intentionally deceitful with the public in order to incite a manhunt. At the very least, she chose to wait until Friday afternoon to announce charges she likely knew would be brought at least 24 hours prior. I'm not willing to give her office the benefit of the doubt.

Alabama reminds me a lot of Ohio State in what would be required to stop their offense. Make Young sweat and keep up with the wideouts. I don't think Michigan would be able to run the ball down their throat the same way though.

Alabama with a late first half TD and they will have scored more points in the first half than Georgia has given up to a team all year. However these games wind up, there isn't a team in consideration that does not look beatable.

Alabama with 340 total yards and counting in the first half against Georgia. -edit- 365 yards at the half

Watching Cincinnati, I think they would struggle mightily against a quality defense. They flew down the field without issue and then completely lost their identity in the Red Zone and stagnated. Then missed a chip shot field goal with their 3rd kicker of the year. I didn't want to be anecdotal, so I looked up their RZ efficiency on the year and they're 93rd in FBS at 0.797, between Temple and Arizona State.

I agree with this. If there is an impartial jury of peers (or two) to be found in Oakland County, I think the defense has a really strong case here. Holding parents criminally liable for their child's actions is a very slippery slope, and I don't know if there is any precedent. They were negligent without a doubt in my mind, and would almost certainly be found responsible for damages in a civil suit. Did they commit involuntary manslaughter though? I'm not sure. Say someone has a kid who is 15-17, mentally ill, but usually good at hiding it and very resistant to medication or therapy. Parent goes to the corner store for something one day and the kid has a mental breakdown, grabs a knife from the block in the kitchen, and kills someone who is just walking their dog down the street. Is that parent criminally responsible for their child's actions? They didn't force the child to be seen by a mental health professional after all. They left the child without supervision. They didn't secure their knives. Keep in mind that with no weapons charges being filed, that likely means they broke no laws as it comes to storing the weapon (which is infuriating in its own right, but also a separate conversation from whether the Crumbley parents are guilty). It will be an intriguing case to follow.

I would guess 75% or more of people who come into trouble with the law on any given day have past run-ins with the law. Prior to the Waukesha Parade incident, he was charged in the prior incident with Obstructing a Police Officer, 2nd Degree Reckless Endangerment, Disorderly Conduct, Battery, and Bail Jumping. The incident itself came from the mother of one of his children calling police and stating that he had tried to run her over, displaying to police a tire mark on her pant leg. A much more standard incident for police contact than the high-profile ones that have been talked about extensively here. Say that Waukesha never happened, that Brooks pled not guilty to those charges, went to trial, and evidence came out that completely exonerated him. This was a vindictive ex and video from across the street that the police didn't see in their investigation shows the woman rubbing her leg against a tire after he's left, and it's not clear that he hit her at all. These are all things that might not be known at arraignment, but could certainly come out at trial. If he had been denied bond or given an outrageous bond that a low-income individual such as himself could never afford, that means that he sat incarcerated for months awaiting this trial, for having done absolutely nothing wrong (in this incident at least). What he ultimately did was tragic, without a doubt, and the world would be a better place now if he had been denied bond. That doesn't mean that we should be reactionary and now more harshly punish every future person who walks through the doors of a courtroom accused of violating a law. Accusations are only accusations, and people are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. It also doesn't mean that if his bond was higher but still affordable with collateral (say $10k) that it wouldn't have happened.

Oklahoma State had seven opportunities in the 4th quarter to get a TD from inside the 2 and couldn't capitalize. Ended on a stretch to the pylon that came up inches short. Baylor wins. Have to think Notre Dame has the inside track to the playoff now, along with Georgia, Michigan, and Cincy.

The Big 12 is putting on an ugly display on National TV. OK State's QB Spencer Sanders is 19/31, 160 yds, 0 TDs, 4 INTs. ... And Baylor muffs a punt. Neither team wants this.

Baylor up 21-13 on OK State midway through the 3rd quarter. You'd figure a win by Baylor about locks up Cincinnati's berth (with a win over Houston), and also opens a path for a coachless Notre Dame or a two-loss Alabama to get the 4th spot.

What do you think is the point of bail? These are people who have NOT been convicted of a crime. The purpose is not to prevent crime while awaiting trial, it’s to hold a deposit to ensure people return to court for their trial. If Brooks could have been predicted to commit more violent crimes while out, he should have been denied bond. No one can predict that 100% though. If you give him (and the 10000s of people like him who don’t commit violent acts while awaiting trial) a bond they cannot afford (like I don’t know… $500k), you’re just jailing 10000s of people who haven’t been convicted of anything, many of whom will be found not guilty at the end of the day. Meanwhile they are losing their job, their homes and cars, their relationships with their significant others and children, and everything they care about. And what do you think happens when you build more prisons and jail more people, even for just those who are convicted and sentenced to harsh penalties? You get more people exiting jail without jobs, homes, cars, or relationships, who the state then has to either support or be just STUNNED (/s) when they reoffend. The US already holds something like 20-25% of the world’s prisoners…. Maybe another thing we should look to other countries for models in fixing.

I’ll stop beating around the bush about my disdain for prosecutors, yesterday and this morning’s search, and the juvenile justice system generally, because I can’t lie, it is personal for me. I’m going to change some minor details to preserve what little internet anonymity I have left. I’m the adoptive parent to an older teenage boy. When he was 13, he went on the run from the foster care system after he was physically abused at a residential facility. While on the run for almost a year, NO ONE (and I mean absolutely no one) was looking for him. When I would come home from California, I would perform my due diligence because I cared about him, and actually located him on one occasion. Police did a drive-by when I called, nothing more. While on the run, homeless, no family, nothing to speak of, he turned to crime. With two adult men, he committed a robbery. It was poorly done, no one was hurt, they got nothing out of it. Fast forward a year and a half, he’s doing better and has turned himself in (and was placed BACK INTO the very same abusive residential - another soapbox for another time)…. The prosecutor charged him as an adult with Armed Robbery, while pleading out the two other men to testify against him. Mind you, he was not the ringleader by any stretch of the imagination. They tried really freaking hard to put a homeless 13yo foster youth away for a substantial portion of his life, at least 8 years. Thanks to my character testimony on his behalf that I flew back to give, as well as a phenomenal public defender, he was sentenced as a juvenile and served 18 months in juvenile detention (which was also abusive and neglectful, but that’s yet another soap box). Mind you, 18 months is more than either of the other two served (both of whom have reoffended multiple times since). Upon release, he came directly to my home. It hasn’t been easy, but in the first loving home he’s ever been in, he’s done incredibly well under the circumstances. Almost every prosecutor I have come across has no real interest in the true sense of the word justice. They’re scummy and constantly pull the tactics McDonald has in the last week to look good to the politicians, the cameras, and the people who have no freaking idea what life is like for the people below them on the social ladder. They want to get rid of the poor kids, the black and brown kids, and the kids who landed in situations that their privileged lives couldn’t ever imagine. All the while appealing to those at their level and above, “aren’t you happy the world is a better/cleaner place now?” They want to look in the book and say “how do I lock this person up for as long as possible?”, without any mind that in the vast majority of crimes, that person WILL be released eventually, and become a member of society again, just like you and me. Right now, those two parents (who deserve their day in court, as heinous an act as their son committed and as negligent as they appear to be) have been absolutely vilified by the court of public opinion, because that’s the way McDonald wanted it to be. Never mind whether they are actually guilty of Involuntary Manslaughter (which I think will be an interesting question for a jury to answer if they can find a fair one). The answers to societal problems of inequity and criminality cannot be to just sit on our hands and wait for individuals to do what everyone knew (or should have known) they were going to do, throw them in a cell and lose the key when they do, and then pat each other on the back while they rot years away. Yet people fall hook-line-sinker into that line of thinking.

I’ll entertain this discussion, but not as an imaginary either/or with discussions about gun control that should have been enacted decades ago.

I understand that this case is high profile, and that these are significant charges, but this entire “manhunt” was outrageous. It is not unusual for someone to take a day or two to turn themselves in when a warrant is issued. What is unusual is for a prosecutor to refuse contact with a defense attorney, hold a press conference as the day ends on a Friday, and then basically turn off the podium and claim “we can’t find them! They’re running!” McDonald is playing games. She wants public perception to be that these parents were making some break for it, when I think they fully intended to turn themselves in on Monday. If they wanted to go to Florida or Canada, they’d have been there by now. They were hiding from the media circus, as any reasonable person would have. Since every agency under the sun wants to stick their nose in though, I’m sure the FBI and US Marshals won’t have any problem now that they’re in custody devoting these kinds of resources to finding the 100s of children who go missing from the Michigan foster care system ever year right? Right? No? Hmm.