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I graduated with a Wertenberger in 1972.

Really? I grew up in Dundee as well, as did my father,my grandfather, and my great grandfather.My Great-Great grandfather and my Great-Great-Great grandfather along with their families settled there immediately after the Erie canal opened for business.

I think this is a marvelous idea. Make him assistant bench coach.

Kind of an interesting discussion on Baseball on TV. I did the whole cord cutting thing 3 years ago when I realized the only things I was regularly watching was baseball and some news programs with some vintage tv thrown in. 100% of the NFL I was watching was and is on standard broadcast tv. I got a modest priced digital TV antenna and got 66 channels on it when the weather is fair, about 40 when the weather is poor. I have the Bally streaming package and watch the Red wings and Tigers on it. I think at 19.99 a month it is fairly priced. I have an excellent internet service, so the streaming service works fine for me.

I suspect this will happen. I am happy to hear about the changes. I don't think this will be enough for most casual fans.

The whining about the dimensions won't stop until dead center field is 250 feet. I don't like the small change as to have any chance of quieting the 22 years of continuous bitching, They should have came in by 15 feet.

This trade could be a win-win. These moves seem to be consistent with Harris' stated organizational principles.

Don't we need a pitcher from the California Penal League?

I have been ill yet once again, but I have returned to the land of the living. I took a moment to read this thread. Most of you are much more optimistic than I. As it stands today, I see a 60 win team. The only question is whether we will find anything this year to build upon above what we currently know. Big things to learn in '23: Can and will TORK! hit big league pitching? Personally, I think the odds are 58-42 against. Will we find a competent 3B in the organization? I think 53-47 in favor of that proposition. Will Baez be with the team on Labor Day? I think 65-35 against as Javy is not in the mold of the Harris mold. Will Jake Rogers be on the active roster April 1? I think that is a coin flip.

I think that this is probably a 60 -63 win team so far this for 2023. But, when one is looking at a team that has so few at least average MLB position players on the 40 man, what can one expect? There are 3 position players that are at least average, the rest are all sub replacement level. Play the kids, Let's find out if 2 Meadows are better than one. Let's see if Wenceel Perez is ready for prime time. Let the parade begin.

There is no competitive sense to a 162 game season with expanded playoffs.

A number of the big market teams, such as the New York Yankees, have their own cable network they own/control. With the somewhat disappointing ratings for the World Series, MLB could be in danger of the revenue topping out while the revenue for New York and Los Angeles continuing to grow, creating a system where there is a dominant team say Ala The Harlem Globetrotters playing some twenty odd Washington Generals mutant teams instead of true competition. We are not there yet.

We probably 6 or 7 top line guys to compete for a divisional championship in the AL Central. To get a sure thing first string player today one is looking at an eight year commitment at 20 mil per season per player minimum. We would need a 140 million dollar per year increase in the payroll per year committed per year for the next 8 years or an additional 1.2 billion dollar payroll commitment additional to cover the next 8 years. Or in other words, for 280 to 300 million a year, assuming no injuries and no screw-ups choosing your free agent signings, you get maybe 3 or 4 shots at the crap-shoot known as the World Series. That's probably where the free agent market is today.

This is true. I still think that Soto will be gone before the ASB. I of the opinion generally that there is enough assets in the organization to get marginal improvement yet this off season, and the reliever corp is where this can be done.

Agree with this. Given the seeming year to year variability in relievers, trading them forvposition players seems to make sense.

The front office decided to not cut Miggy and throw away a roster slot in doing so. It is crystal clear what kind of season this is going to be. Factor in that both E Rod and Baez will opt out next year, and the only thing left for the year is to have a season long audition to sort out the contenders from the pretenders.. I still expect a siging or trade to at least make 2023 a 70 win season.

She gets an animal cracker exemption.

I saw a picture of Robert Fick's wife a few years back and she was absolutely stunning. Which Tigers have hot wives and/or girlfriends these days?

All resources are finite. A waste of resources ( such as the signing Jordan Zimmerman back in the day), no matter who is wasting them, impacts the ability of a team to move forward on other choices later. I can be worth 3 billion dollars, but not all of that is in cash, and given contractual outflows I have, cash availability can be more restrictive than it appears.

For his seven years Jemier should be at 7.7 WAR , but I think the variability and 2022 are telling. I respectfully agree to disagree with you. This entire discussion has been informative in that it has provided insight into how members of the board view risk versus reward. It has been like a SWOT analysis conducted in a graduate level management class. Some of us seem to think the strengths of keeping Jemier outweighed the weaknesses. Some of us don't. Some of us seem to think that the opportunities of keeping Jemier outweigh the threats. Some of us don't. What this discussion actually reveals is how each of us answer the question, "What is a reasonable amount calculated risk to assume?"

Mediocre is 1.1 WAR per year as calculated by baseball-reference. If one has an entire active roster of 1.1 WAR on average over an active roster, if one plugs that in the last iteration of Baseball- Reference's WAR formula, an average WAR of that level on an active team roster should produce an 81 win team. Over 7 seasons, Jemier, has a 7.5 WAR. In 2018 he had a 1.8 WAR, then in 2019 he collapsed to .2 WAR. I would throw out 2020 in any player evaluation due to season length. In 2021 Jemier posts a 4.1 WAR, then in 2022 he posts .8 WAR. His WAR is one good year followed by one poor year. Of his total career, 54 % of that value comes from his 2021 season. There is a great deal of risk to Jemier's production as shown by his high season to season variabilty, with one year being very strong, and the following year being poor. I have waffled on Jemier over the last 3 months because the eye test shows that there have been moments of great promise. When I look at his total output, coupled with his wide variabilty in production from year to year, I am not sad to see him gone.

Candelario is a sub mediocre player. That's all one needs to know. That's my 2 cents.

This seems to be a calculated risk to me. As for pitchers and injuries, what is the percentage of pitchers injured requiring surgery each year? I would guess 30 to 35%, or roughly one out of every three.

Agree 100 times over. We have had a six year long farewell tour. I will never mention his name again , it would be childish and snarky to use the abbreviation HWSNBN ("He who shall not be named."), so from here on out I am done discussing him. Unlike many here, this raises questions in my mind about this organization's commitment to excellence. It seems to me a truly professional Ball team would at least try some other guy rather than sticking with a sub replacement player. At least the Tigers will recoup some dollars on this leg of HWSNBN's farewell tour. I guess I am childish and snarky after all.

Well, it looks like Mike Clevinger signs with the White Sox. I don't think it is earth shattering, but kind of a so so deal.