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I know we've beat this dead horse into maggot chow, but, the continued presence of Miggy on the team is a detriment to the progress and goal congruence of the whole organization. If I were running things, I'd give him a choice between his immediate release, an assistant coach position, or a rehab assignment with the Lakeland Flying Tigers. It needs to be made clear to this organization from top to bottom, and in every niche, corner, and crevice that improved results are the number one goal. There are no exceptions to that now and ever again. Other than this, I'd find a way to put him on the IL to the end of his contract. I never want to see him on the field as a player ever again.

It will be interesting to see what Harris really means by "calculated risk". It is time for some bold moves, especially on the 40 man. I have grown tired with the 20 plus years of pissing and moaning about the dimensions of the park. Put in a new wall that makes the longest distance at 405 feet. Pull in RF by 15 feet. Get it done. This fixation on the park's size has hurt the organization's planning for far too long. As for the roster, do whatever you can to make it better. With position players, the keepers are Haase, Baez, Greene, Carpenter, and Tork (in Toledo only). Throw in one of the Castro's for the super sub. We have to keep Schoop, but a replacement for Candy must be found. If not, replace Schoop and eat a contract. I do not care in the slightest what happens to the rest of the position players, including Miggy. I know some will have to be kept. I am far more interested in those Harris will not keep. As for the pitching, well for me, that is for another post

HEAR! HEAR! Gentlemen, I give you the right honorable gentleman Casimir!!!

Here is hoping that there are meaningful changes in the days ahead.

It's a wrap.

Watching this season coming to an end is like going into surgery for a nagging back or joint problem. Current and recent moments have been painful, but at least there is a promise of less pain in the days ahead.

From a roster standpoint, it is time for Miggy to go.

I don't understand how it would do the team more harm to the club to cut Miggy for 2023. I suspect that it might not go over well with the Latin players, and that would be my only reason for keeping him around. It is time to move past the Miggy era right now. If he is going to stick around, make him the 2nd assistant hitting coach or something, but I don't want him on the active roster.

This seems like a reasonable plan.

We have a 40 man roster, where 12 to 16 probably should be gone. I could live with the above plan because I think the minimum is we need a new 3B, a different SS/ 2B and a new LF for '23. I still want to see the pile of bodies trimmed from the 40 mam roster at the end of the day as well.

If I were Harris, I'd be looking for a new OF. a SS, and a 3B as suggested earlier. I would also be getting rid of the dead wood on the 40 man. Maybe all of the pruning need not take place immediately, but expeditiously.

What seems most reasonable at this point would be for Harris to totally revamp the scouting department first. I think that Chadd is gone, as well as others. I see a lot of attention given to bio-mechanics in the organization going forward. I see a major change on the 40 man roster. Hinch and his staff are safe.

This team, both on the active roster, and in the farm system has a lot of dead wood. This team is kind of a fixer-upper house right now. The most important thing is to get rid of the copious amounts of dead wood throughout the organization. After that is cleared away, there will be a more clear picture of where the team is at. I am of the opinion that the pitching situation can be pruned around the edges, but there are too many rehab and injured pitchers to do much. I am more inclined to be aggressive on the position player side of the equation. While it may not to be clear what all of the moves should be, some of them are clear.

They're actually fun to listen to tonight.

I almost thought of creating a thread called "Hold 'Em or Fold 'Em? Hold 'Em: Tork, Greene,Kreidler, Carpenter,Parker Meadows, Austin Meadows, Eric Haase, Javy, E- Rod Fold 'Em: Miggy, Daz Cameron, Kody Clemons (too old for a prospect), Zack Short, Drew Hutchinson, Barnhardt,Candelario, Garcia On the Bubble: Anyone Named Castro, Schoop Miggy needs to be gone. Now.

This looks like a good hire. Scott Harris has his hands full. He will have a roster cleanse to do this off season that will make some shudder. One thing that has to be said is that the Tigers did a great job of not leaking this.

I'm back from an almost four weeks visiting family on the east coast. I thought that this team was going to be slightly better than an 80 win team, and I couldn't have been more wrong. What this season has revealed is this organization is a dumpster fire of biblical proportions. I think that the best that can be hoped for in 2023, is a sorting of the wheat from the chaff. We might have 4 position players on the active roster that might be MLB caliber players next year. Get this GM hire right Chris I, or your MLB club will be nigh to worthless

Go back and look at the last 20 posts on this thread. We have 2 of 8 position players that are probably going to be somewhat ok, mainly Greene and Baez. We are looking for a minimum of 6 position players. Maybe 2 OFrs step up. Maybe we trust Tork to hit and take care of 1B, which will be a titanic leap of faith. We need a new 3B. We need Miggy gone. Maybe the catcher is filled internally. I sure as heck hope we hit on some internal options or 2023's team in action will be less exciting then watching white paint dry.

People and organizations do no one any good by not making changes when changes are needed to be made. Miggy needs to be gone for the franchise to move forward.DFA him. Now.

I was born in the very early 1950's. I clearly remember the '61 and '67 seasons. My health is shaky and I know that I too could be gone any moment. I have resigned myself to the fact I most likely will not live to see the Tigers return to greatness, but I am hoping I live to see them have a mediocre (80 to 83 wins) season. Even living that long would be a major miracle. A realistic read of internal talent pushes the expected date of a mediocre season to 2026, with maybe a playoff run to 2027. For this team to begin to get better, it will take moves long past due, such as releasing Miggy. He is done. It is embarrassing to everyone to see him play now. He has been a below replacement player for some time.To get better, one cannot be sentimental. One must make an honest assessment of who stays and who goes, and the GM must remove those who are not part of the future as soon as possible. As things stand right now, I think Greene will become a solid everyday player, and Baez might be put in that class. What I see a lot of cannon fodder everywhere else, and most sadly, I put Tork in that group. He has been completely mind fucked by Tigers management and coaching staff. To be competitive, we need 4-6 positional players that will produce an ops of at least .730. Coolbaugh needs to be fired right this very minute. There is a lot to be done.

Absolutely agree. If I were the GM, my first order of business would be to get Miggy retired.

Maybe Al wanted to establish his that he was more than DD's errand boy? Did Chris give them a free hand because he had other concerns and he felt the experienced hand could run things? Maybe so.

When I looked, they had posted the Associated Press Release.

Very happy to hear this. CI did this correctly and let him go effective immediately. There can be little doubt that public embarrassment that Chris endured was a factor.

This thread's current trend has me laughing my ass off. The AL ops average is .730. Hitting Harold is at what? .715? and Haase is at maybe .712 On the position side of things, Haase (as a backup catcher),Greene, and Baez are the only position players we have worthy of being considered MLB utility grade players, with maybe Baez being a starter. The rest are just organizational cannon fodder.If Miggy retires, and the Tigers restructure his contract to be paid over20 - 25 years, cash would be freed up. Show me a lineup that can bat at least a .720 ops clip, then I will get excited about the Tigers short to intermediate term chances. We have to remember that we are currently talking about a team that will struggle to obtain an OPS 0f .590 by year end. We are a minimum of 4 quality position players short of being mediocre.