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No guys Goff is really good

to be fair not one person lamented giving up Parades in March.

Still better to have the best guy on a blindside. More chance for a turnover when teh QB doesn't see it coming.

Nice throw Delmon

not unless he dies. Under control for a $6 million salary is a reasonable risk.

So the season ticket holders were all cool for the last five years? It was just now they need to be appeased? Come on that is crazy short sighted And yes it's a product but you also don't fire your entire leadership team cause sales go down for a month.

I'm not arguing over the overall idea, Years and years of declining tickets will hurt a bottom line. But your post and roamd post made it seem like the sales team called 10 people yesterday and 8 said no so Chris came in and was like well time to fire the gm. I doubt ticket sales next year are much different from last year or the year before. They are dramatically different from years ago when we won 90, but that's true for any org and they will return when we win 90 again. Just like they sprung right up in 06. I doubt any no renewals this year did little to sway chris' mind just like if a bunch renewed I doubt he would have kept al. I would think Chris has known what he needs to do for a few days now and sales did little to sway given the stands have been empty for 100 games now.

It was the right decision at the time, everybody here agreed. Well like 90 percent. Hell remember when everyone wanted to make him a closer or trade him in 08? We were heading for a rebuild he was a valuable asset and he had been good to us and we didn't win a WS. Remember he wasn't as valuable at that time as he is today. We had to pay for another team to take him and some teams dropped out because we wouldn't pay enough. The problem was eveyrbody who came back turned out to be a pumpkin. That was the right call at the time but seeign nothing come from it sticks you in the mud when you compound with the fact you never found a suprise good player ala Randy A in Tampa, Hector in NYY, JP crawford or players like that.

That would be a poor decesion. You don't make a decision cause 1,000 decided not to renew tickets. You make the best decision for the long term health of your business.

Yes but why wouldn't he listen to the man he hired to do it/convince him why. If he overrode everything he might as well make himself gm. He's now got buyer remorse seeing how it played out. It was the right call at the time, turned put awful and now he can crap on it without a downside.

You do it now cause it gives you a chance to do all your homework and Chris has a lot given he doesn't have an Yzerman in this case. He has to figure out who to listen to and create a quasi search group, think gabby. Then do background work and maybe interview a guy or two with the hope to hire soon after the ws. If you wait it's all either rushed or you miss a chunk of the off-season. It's not like a team really needs a gm right now. Scouting hasn't started and nobody know what they want or need for next year so there is no like deep prep for 2023.

Nailed it

But that is just a vacuum. What if you cut short and the krider sucks. Who are you calling up? What if schoop gets hurt. If you cut short and Clemens, kreider comes up and struggles or someone gets hurt at the same time you literally have nobody to call up. You have short sighted yourself all to bring a guy up to give him a look while also ignoring the financial ramifications of it. You keep looking at it in a one year vaccum/ignore injuries or guys struggling.

Probably not So got it since you ignored everything else, make him more expensive earlier, ignore the fact he might be as bad as short all for one extra win this year. Solid team building strategy. You'd be in charge of the 1997 tigers.

And lose them a year earlier to free agency, hurt trade value, risk losing other players off thr 40 man and they might just suck Those are all the risks you have with calling them up today. Are you willing to put all that on the line to see what they have in a season that's gonna end with a top 5 pick? Seems silly to me and ignores all long term risk for the hope of another win this year.

Did we not see this with tork and Greene? Just cause I guy is doing well doesn't mean you have to rush him up to the majors.

Cost control In a lost season

Bingo.

Insurance pays way less than you think. Nowhere worth the scenario you propose.

BAU post for Kdog. Misrepresentation. Distortions and facts based only on what happened in the last 5 minutes.

They're 12th this year. Have been top six the few years before that and led the league in 2019 In 2018-2015 they were in the somewhere between 15 and 20. So wanna try again with your post?

Wait the pitching, which were on about the 18th guy on the depth chart, is what will hold them back. Not the historically bad offense?

I mean it's possible. But they also spent 200 million this off-season. When have the pirates done that?

Irrelevant to the idea that Chris will never get rid of anybody

Didn't Chris already get rid of one gm of a team he owns?