Betrayer

Well, I guess we're not getting him for Ivey and multiple firsts then. Our first this year will be better, but Green is better than Ivey. I doubt expiring contracts are enough to sweeten the deal more. Then again, the Nets may be in a very different head space at the end of the season after they miss the play-in. Adding Duren could swing the deal either way, since they might lose Claxton to a much bigger contract this offseason and Duren is 4 years younger. However, there's no way this front office moves Duren.

I swear, everyone needs to be fired from the Owner himself on down through the GM, the Coaches, and the Medical Staff. This team is an absolute joke. Clean house. Maybe the dancers and that team that jumps off trampolines can stay. Maybe.

Ugh, expansion. The stars aren't going to just spread out and create more parity. It just means more bottom feeders, blowouts, and a greater disparity between top and bottom teams. Of course, the League wants it anyway, because even bad teams like Detroit continue to make money for the league regardless of the terrible on-court product.

There's a clip going around of James Harden passing the ball to Kawhi and then running over to try to block his corner three. It's the most insane thing I've ever seen. Edit: Here's it is:

I'm not sure about the Cade vs Hali discussion, but I'm willing to hope you could be right over the long haul. Things is, we may never know because the organization and coaches are so incompetent. What would Cade look like under a real coach like Rick Carlisle? Watch the Pacers play. They do everything with purpose. Guys are cutting, screening, not hesitating, passing and catching the ball ready to go immediately or relocate. Everyone is on a string off the ball or on the ball. Yes, they have more talent overall, but even their scrubs play that way. That's 100% coaching. Rick is a coach that can make a team better than the sum of its parts. Monty is exactly the opposite.

He will. He'd be stupid not to because all players know they can just ask for a trade afterwards. The real question is whether or not he should get a max. Is he Haliburton? A lot of people were coping with drafting Hayes over Haliburton because it meant we were bad enough to get Cade. But right now, I'd trade Cade, Ivey, and Duren for Haliburton and Indy would laugh at me for suggesting it. That's what a max rookie looks like. Is that Cade? I like him, but does a guy who's more likely to be an All-Star reserve than an All-Star starter or Superstar deserve a max? If you spend your cap space maxing out All-Star reserves after 12 win seasons can you build a winner?

That's pretty scary stuff, regardless of basketball. Blood clots, especially a PE which it what this sounds like, can be deadly. I'm hoping he's ok and recovers well. Beyond that, speaking as a fan, it's just another gut punch for a season full of them.

I think you summed it up pretty well. You've got to move at least one of them before you're forced to pay them (Drummond) or you've waited so long that their value plummets (Bey). I honestly don't know what you get for them because it's tough to gauge with young players. The Nets probably aren't trading Mikal Bridges even though they need to tear it down and rebuild, but he's the dream. I'm giving up Ivey, this year's first (make the pick for the Nets), a 2029 first, and Fournier (20M expiring) to put Bridges next to Cade, Ausar, and Fontecchio next season. But maybe none of it matters if you don't get a real coach in here. Can we trade him too please?

What a clown show. I’m not even sure what sport some of these guys are playing.

Everyone will focus on that final play, and yea, Cade should've known the clock. But the real reasons they lost this game happened way earlier. Your starting Center can't be 4-10 with 2 turnovers and poor defense. He's been averaging 3 turnovers a game lately and doing some serious Drummond stuff with the ball. Your starting Shooting Guard can't continue to play like the rebirth of Killian Hayes. He's been horrendous in every facet of the game, from shooting to defense, over the past 14 games. Cade's getting blitzed on every screen and they have nobody else that can takeover a game because Ivey has gone into a massive slump. Not one of the starters could shoot the ball from outside and Miami plays a ton of zone which is designed to keep you out of the paint. There's zero movement off-ball in Monty's offense, so if you aren't hitting those low quality threes against the zone, then you're in trouble in this offense. It's been a problem all year and I don't expect Monty to figure out how to play against a zone anytime soon. Edit to add: More and more I think you've got to make a decision and move either Ivey or Duren this offseason while you can get good value for them. You can't afford to extend all of these players starting with Cade this offseason and then those two next offseason and Ausar the year after that. Not when your team is this bad. Doubling down on a 12 win team is a bad idea.

Yep, I remember Reggie having it as well. Apparently so does James Harden, Javale McGee, and Richard Jefferson. Probably a bunch more too.

The defense is the bigger concern. Monster game from him on the offensive end against a team full of midgets. He feasted, as he should have. Kudos for that, but his defense and paint protection is still a real problem. It's bad when Wiseman comes in and looks like the better rim protector and shot deterrent. I hear a lot of people on socials making a big deal about Ausar's Asthma, but didn't Dennis Rodman have it as well? If I recall correctly he turned out to be a pretty good player who averaged 30+ minutes per game for 10+ seasons in the NBA. It'll be all right. Lots of guys in the league have Asthma.

Bad timing for his contract. I feel sorry for him.

Guys improve a lot from age 20-25, so I have no idea what Duren will become. That really depends upon his drive and work ethic. However, I feel like a lot of defense is instinctual, so I'm not sure if he'll ever be the defensive force we want him to be. That means he needs to provide something else in the modern NBA besides rebounding and dunks. The good news is his free throws and shooting form are looking really good and have taken a huge leap this year. Maybe he can add the three ball in a year or two.

The only person who doesn't see this is Monty. Let's keep rolling out that starting lineup with Ausar/Stew/Duren who are a -10. Not only does taking Stew out of the starting lineup help Cade and Ivey who are struggling with a packed paint every night, it also means less Wiseman minutes which is good for everyone.

I've heard some people saying they'd take Sarr and then try to move Duren since Duren is not a great defender for a guy who plays a fairly traditional center role (not a stretch big). I don't know enough about Sarr to comment on that idea either way. My guess is Weaver would draft Sarr and try to play them together like the Cavs do with Mobley and Allen. They clearly don't care about spacing for Cade and Ivey at all since they're starting a Thompson/Stew/Duren lineup anyway when everyone knows Fontecchio should be in there.

Best part of the Orlando game was listening to Greg and George talk with astonishment about how the Magic look for a mismatch on offense and go right to it. I guess watching the Pistons all season will put you in awe of basic basketball. 2 games ago the reporters asked Monty about staggering Cade and Ivey, to which he responded that it's hard because then you have "2 small guards on the bench unit" (he forgot about Grimes, I guess) and that maybe he could do it with Stew instead. The very next game, he actually tried it in the first half and staggered both Ivey and Stew! Let's see if he tries it again. It would be amazing if all we actually needed was someone to ask the question directly so Monty could go to YouTube and learn how NBA teams stagger lineups and then give it a try. At this point I wouldn't put anything past the guy who started Killian for half the season. By the way, our bench is 30th in net rating and is played 10th most in the NBA. Just another one from the category of, "Duh", to add to Monty's phenomenal resume.

Who needs Sasser when you have Flynn running point in the second unit alongside Wiseman and Fournier? (that was sarcasm) Nice game from Stew and Ausar. I especially liked the part in the second half where Monty actually staggered the lineup and played Stew at backup Center a bunch. He even staggered Ivey a bit! Not coincidentally the team played better in the second half with less minutes from the 5-man bench unit. So, 59 games to figure out how to stagger a lineup? Or was that second half an anomaly? I guess we'll find out tomorrow against Orlando.

6th pick here we come!

Yep. That's why I don't buy the "core" argument, especially from a coach that had to be told to play Ivey instead of Killian. As you said, their future roles involve them starting and finishing together, but also being staggered. Plus, Monty has done this full line change stuff since the start of the season, so it just seems to be his thing.

Actually, quite the opposite. Most successful teams stagger the substitutions so one of their top 3 players are in the game at all times. I have no idea what drives this mindset from Monty (or from Casey, who used to do it as well). I can only imagine it's because it's easier to manage. I guess you can't pay a guy 78M and expect him to be able to figure out something that every coach from high school on is smart enough to handle.

Good to see a win despite Monty's attempts to bungle it. Starters were +24 and the bench was -14. This coach can't figure out how to stagger his two best creators so we have to watch the Malachi Flynn creation show with 4 other bench guys. It's just a mind boggling level of ineptitude from this coaching staff. And now Muscala's has been waived, making that trade even worse, but also clearing the way for Wiseman to play heavy minutes for the remainder of the year.

I get the general negativity around this team, but are we seriously sitting here trying to say that diving into a guy's legs is ok in the NBA? C'mon, even the NBA has apologized and the referee said it was a missed call. This should have been a Piston's win over a good team. They were robbed and the story is all over ESPN as well with quotes from Windhorst saying, "the NBA and the referees screwed up." But getting past that, we've definitely seen more competitive games from this team recently and that's been fun to watch. The starting 5 has been +2 on the court. They've also got some decent role players now in Fontecchio and Grimes, so it's going to be interesting to see what this core looks like over the remainder of the season and if they can start to gel despite what Monty has done (and continues to do) to set them back all season.

Monty has to go. I'm so glad there are national media people like Sam talking about it. This is a masterclass in coaching terrorism. I was just shaking my head watching this game the whole time.

This is the one I keep talking about. Give the defender an equal right to his space on the court if he was there first. No more running into a defender and getting a call and no more swinging your arm through a defender to get a call. That, and they really need to stop the moving screens. Those two changes alone would drastically alter the ability to defend and bring some balance back to the game.