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Cam Thomas had more win shares than Cade too. There were bench players on Cleveland that had more win shares than anyone on the Pistons. So what? It's a silly comparison. Their win shares aren't better because they went out there like prime Magic Johnson when they were just rookies, it's because they were on better teams.
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Deals that could've netted the Pistons more picks continue to come and go. Meanwhile, OKC makes all the right moves to gather more and more picks. Even when they're out of assets to trade they find a way to acquire someone else's problems and gather more picks. That's how you rebuild. Keep getting picks until you land superstars unless you're the Lakers and you can just get them to show up at your door.
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I still maintain that Sheed's name could've been up there with Duncan as the greatest PF of all time if is head was on straight. Apparently, not much has changed for Sheed:
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Still facing charges of second degree strangulation and third degree assault. This was just the charge for the neck vertebrae. So, Charlotte can rest easy knowing that he's still a viable trade candidate.
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Monty after practice. I think he's starting to realize just how young this team is and how much of a struggle this season is going to be.
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Maybe TNT can make a trade and send SVG to the Celtics in exchange for JVG. Better for TNT, implode the Celtics, everyone wins.
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I hope the injuries aren't an issue and I can't really count sitting out a preseason game as a real "injury". Then again, if he is always dealing with injuries then it fits with the rest of the narrative I have for Cade which is that he's a jumbo Chris Paul, not the Luka everyone wants him to be.
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Loving what I'm seeing from Ausar, but I still think the Pistons should have used Bogey and stuff to move up and get Whitmore when he dropped instead of the move they made to get Sasser. Here's Sam Vecenie talking about Cam. And if you want to rewind the pod from this point he also talks about what Ime Udoka is already bringing to the Rockets defensively. That's one where I think the Pistons missed out. Monty is 2.0 version of Casey, but I view Ime as the better coach:
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Cade was just resting, but I'm not sure I understand it. Even Chet was out there. Cade hasn't even played a full season and really needs the reps with his team. Ivey still coming off the bench even with Cade out and there was a quote from Monty saying that he's going to lean on the vets and not going to have all young guys in the starting lineup. He also said earlier that Burks was starting because Bogey was out. That means the starting lineup he wants is: Cade, Ausar, Bogey, Stew, Duren. Bad spacing is going to impact Cade on the offensive end, but maybe it'll be a little better defensively. Ausar is a really good defender. His ability to wall off his man, recover, and defend full court is pretty phenomenal for a rookie. He's immediately our best defender and it's not close. Wiseman had a nice second half (against the third string). He basically did the same thing Bagley in the first game. Still tries to post up WAY too much and looks lost a lot. This team really needs to move one of those two young bigs and bring in a veteran to be the second or third string guy. I was hoping for McGee when he was available, but not sure who they could get now (Biyombo is a free agent...?) Killian is getting a lot of praise, but I'm still seeing a lot of the same Killian stuff (can't shoot, over-dribbling, can't get separation). Some stuff looks better though such as a willingness to take contact and more aggressiveness to get his shot. Defense is still solid and ultimately it might be the thing that gets him time on the court - maybe playing SF or maybe just when Burks or Morris are out/resting? Sasser had a really nice second half in the comeback (against the third string). Showed his quickness, shot making abilities, and some passing. Umude can shoot. I know it's preseason, but it's more than a little annoying that this team is never whole. Right now 5 rotation guys are out of the lineup, including 3 starters and both PGs (Cade, Morris, Bogey, Duren, Livers).
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October is Domestic Violence Awareness month, so there really is no better time than now for the league to take a stand and send a message. To that end, the report should read: "The Charlotte Hornets have released Miles Bridges. Additionally, the League Office has issued a statement that they plan to take a stand against domestic violence and although people have the right to pay for their crimes and get a second chance, they will not be able to do so as one of the few hundred athletes who have the privilege of representing the NBA brand."
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Honestly don't care if Ivey is a starter or 6th man. Maybe the bench needs a sparkplug who can come out firing and if the defense doesn't improve, maybe that's a good spot for him. Either way, if he keeps playing this well on offense he's going to get the minutes and probably the 4th quarter finishing minutes as well which is what really matters.
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Best news I’ve heard all off-season. Thank you, Monty.
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We've heard a lot of Bogey trade rumors over the past year. Who knows what's true and what's not, but it's clear from all the smoke that there are teams who were/are very interested. None of us know what offers he's getting, but maybe the problem is simply that the asking price is too high (2 first round picks) and Troy should have made a move months ago for a bit less than that. Either way, I'll stand by my earlier statements which echo what Del said. You need to build a defensive culture and you aren't winning games giving up the 123 ppg that their worst tandem gave up (Bogey and Ivey). Yet every single day that goes by is the lowest his value will be because he's not getting younger, his usage will decrease, and you risk him getting injured.
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I think it's the archetype that people (myself included) like. We see a poor man's Cam Johnson if he could stay healthy. People talk about how Troy added shooting and defense to the team in the offseason, but those players are mutually exclusive since the shooters can't defend and vice versa. Livers was our only chance at a classic 3&D player.
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Is he in a boy band during the offseason?
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Portland figured it out. Trade for a vet and some assets, then move the vet for another vet and some assets, and repeat. Meanwhile Pistons still sitting on Bogie as if he’s part of the rebuild.
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Totally agree about 1 & 2 needing to happen for the restoration to make sense. I'm just not sure it happens this year since Cade just turned 22 and hasn't even played 82 games, and Duren is still 19. That's why I think 30 is more realistic, although I hope you're right and they get to 35. I'd love to see that kind of acceleration of their growth. Not sure if they'll be involved in the Lillard fallout, because that's really just Holiday at this point. But, I think the entire NBA trade market has been on hold waiting for the Lillard trade to finalize. To some extent they may still be waiting on the Harden trade, but maybe you'll see things loosen up and hopefully the Pistons will make a move. I'm hoping they capitalize on Bogie's value and use that trade to move one of Wiseman, Bagley, or Killian. Then again, we're awfully close to media day and training camp, so they may just open the season with this roster.
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Last year the 35 win teams (there were 2 of them) were better than 6 other teams. While I'd love to see the Pistons get there, trying to find those 6 other teams is where this gets tough to imagine. If that happens, then I think it'll mean three things: 1. Cade is that guy - He'll have to take a Haliburton-like leap this year and be a fringe All-Star. 2. Another young player takes a huge leap - My bet would be on Duren, since he and Cade will make a nice duo in the Pick and Roll game. I'm imagining a 15 pts and 15 rebounds machine while greatly improving his defensive awareness. A lot to ask of a 19 year old though. Speaking of defense... 3. The Defense has to be greatly improved - We don't have a superstar scorer (Curry, Luka) or an unstoppable matchup nightmare (Giannis, Embiid), so we HAVE to improve from 29th to middle of the pack on defense. That's a huge jump and it means defensive growth from all the youngsters as well as probably trading Bogie to bring in a wing that can defend well.
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Whenever I wonder how much the team will improve this year I have to remind myself that we're replacing Killian Hayes and CoJo with Cade Cunningham and Monte Morris. Just let that settle in. Killian played 8000 minutes and was one of the worst players in the league by a wide margin. CoJo is a bottom third of the league backup. They also sat or benched Bogie, Stewart, and even Duren for long stretches to end the season last year while rolling out G-League lineups with guys like Omaruyi, Hampton, Rhoden, and McGruder. Not saying they're going to win 35, just that we can't really think of them in terms of their win total from last year when we consider the injuries and intentional tanking they did.
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He's after Klay's roster spot.
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Also, only averaging 55 games played the past 4 seasons.
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Mr Glass Unfortunately the 65 game minimum for winning NBA season awards doesn't extend to the Rookie of the Year. Odd choice.
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I don't think people are enamored with Livers so much as they are with the archetype he represents - a 3 and D player with positional versatility. I don't need Bogey's scoring versatility with Cade, Ivey, Morris (and even Ausar) handling the ball. In fact, some of Bogey's worst moments were those 4th quarter iso-ball situations. What I need is better defense around my core players and Bogey's simple catch and shoot ability. That's why people like Liver's archetype. If not him, then maybe someone we get back in the Bogey trade (or a different trade to balance this roster, considering how many expirings we've collected). It's not about the specific player, more about the archetype and the fact that you aren't winning games with a Ivey + Bogey combo that gave up 123 ppg when they were on the court together last year. That, and the fact that Bogey's value won't ever be higher than it is today makes trading him now the right move. As for Ivey, I think being off-ball will help him a ton this year. He's going to get easier shots when Cade's on the court and secondary ball-handling duties when the defense has already been bent or in transition. I could very easily see him being this team's leading scorer with Cade as the cerebral leader (like a Hamilton and Billups combo).
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Defense vs Shooting Troy said it best. "You can't shoot your way to the top in the NBA. It starts with defense." People love to talk about Golden State, but even with two of the best shooters of all time, we always forget just how good the defense was on those championship teams. That said, my point is not to forsake shooting. What I'm saying is that a combination of Livers and Harris can give you Bogie's 30 minutes per night and replace him as a catch and shoot player. The shooting balances out and you'll gain defense. That's a net positive already and on top of that you gain assets (or another player) from trading a guy who doesn't factor into this team's future and whose usage/value are only going down from their current high point of his career. As for the Ivey comments... First, Ivey had a better 3P% than Mathurin last year (34.3% vs 32.3%). He did that while being the primary offensive initiator playing with G-League players who didn't need to be guarded, while Mathurin was fed off-ball shots. Second, Ivey was in the 88th percentile on catch and shoot threes. That means he was excellent as an off-ball shooter and he figures to get a lot more of those opportunities this year with Cade's return. Third, Ivey showed notable improvement in shooting (and multiple other areas) as the season went on, whereas Mathurin regressed, shooting just 22% from three in his last 10 games. I'll grant you that Sharpe had a better stroke than Ivey last year (36%), but again, he got spoon fed open looks whereas Ivey shouldered the load on a team where practically nobody else had to be guarded. With a year in the books Ivey looks like the best off-ball shooter in this young core, so we can probably drop the outdated pre-draft misconception that the catch-and-shoot 3-ball is going to be one of his issues in the league. Ivey's problems are on the other end of the court, and those struggles simply add to the case that we can't have two guys that don't play defense in the starting lineup. If Troy values defense as much as he claims, then it's a no-brainer to move Bogie while his value is high and work to change the defensive culture of this team.
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Oh, I completely agree that people who do their time should be able to get a second chance. My issue is that I don't think either of these players will (or have) "done their time" because of who they are and the fact that the NBA is all about the bottom line. I also think that when your job is a very public one, where people look up to you and you carry the reputation of the company on your shoulders, the company should go out of its way to make a statement about zero tolerance on issues like this that seem to be a recurring problem with athletes.
