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It won't take much for the Lakers to move around enough money to throw a big offer sheet his way, certainly no assets that they'd be crying over losing. I fully believe there is a market for him at $30m+ and both guys in the video, Sam and Bryce, agree. I'm not a fan of this btw, I think it's a mistake if Duren doesn't show some real growth in critical areas especially defensively but his regular season improvements were significant enough to create a robust market for him IMO.

If a team wants to offer sheet Duren, they'll move around money to make the contract tough for the Pistons to match. I do believe there is a market for Duren out there for $30m+/yr quite easily based on what I mentioned above. In fairness, Hartenstein was a little different because he was a UFA but, yeah, he was a guy that was a glorified bench player going into free agency like an Isiah Stewart with more size. He was far from an All Star and a potential third All NBA selection so I do believe there will be a fairly robust market for Duren. Funny enough, as I'm listening to the video right now, Sam Vecenie said exactly what I'm saying.

Maybe that's what Bryce says or what Betrayer and NYLion don't want to pay him and I agree with Bryce ftr but Bryce and us fans don't set the market, the market will dictate that Duren will likely be paid north of $30m. Again, we can continue to talk about his flaws as fans but the reality is that he's a 22 year old All Star and potential All NBA selection that averaged 19.5 pts and 10.5 rebounds which will dictate that he'll get a big pay day from somebody. If Hartenstein got near $30m when he had bench player numbers, Duren will likely come in north of that. Am I comfortable paying him that? No, but that's what his market will likely be whether we like it or not.

Never underestimate the stupidity of GMs. Duren is a 22 year old All Star with a lot of physical tools that GMs drool over and perceived growth potential, even the biggest haters have to admit that he did improve this regular season. There's no way in any scenario that he's getting less than 30m/yr long term regardless of a 14 game playoff sample size. I'm far from a Duren fan and have stated as such around here for months that I don't think the Pistons should pay him what his market will likely dictate but I do believe there will be a pretty significant market for him despite what we saw in the last month and that number starts with a 30 at the very minimum IMO. Just look at the Ayton example for one.

I'm as down on Duren's playoff run as anybody but 5 years $100-125m is a major lowball offer. He'd easily get 5 years $150m on the open market even with his flaws. He was in line for something like 5 years $200m prior to the playoffs with him being an All Star and getting All NBA mention. I don't think his playoff performance in a relatively small sample size cut his potential contract in half. I think 5 years $150m is reasonable for all parties but would also understand if some wanted to move on from Duren completely.

I'd love to get Watson but I bet that Denver will find other ways to move money to fit him in.

Highly doubtful that he makes it to 21 but you never know. Would you trade #21 plus next years 1st+ other stuff to move up to 12 or so to grab him? I'd rather not, I would prefer to save the draft capital for a more proven commodity if needed although it seems more likely than not that Langdon makes no significant trades and just signs Duren and Ausar long term as well as Harris for 2-3 years with some edge of the roster moves.

An utter embarrassment, makes you almost forget all the good of this season. Just listening to JB saying he's not disappointed gives me a vibe of contentment with this group which makes me think they won't do much more than sign Duren to a massive contract and re-sign Harris.

That was a pretty great performance from everybody. I honestly thought it was a longshot for the Pistons to win this game because, one, I thought they'd be deflated after blowing Game 5 and make no mistake they blew it more than Cleveland winning it and because their role players generally disappear on the road and I was unsure if Robinson would play. Well, Robinson played well, Jenkins played his best road game of the playoffs, Duren played his best game of the playoffs by a longshot, Reed doing what he always does when he gets minutes and that's play very well and Sasser gave some good minutes as well as well as Lavert. That was the difference on a night when Cade struggled in the second half and Harris largely disappeared. It felt like regular season Pistons with the bench doing a lot of heavy lifting. I'm very impressed with the resilience of the group but now the pressure shifts back to them in Game 7 so lets see how they handle that, they handled it pretty darn well against Orlando and I feel as long as the Pistons don't give it away which they have the propensity to do at times led by Cade that they will win this game.

Anybody blaming Cade for this loss are completely clueless. He was doing everything once Harris cooled down and was exhausted down the stretch. Exactly right, he was let down by his coach first and foremost and his teammates. 3 guys played well most of the game, Cade, Harris and Jenkins. Stew played well for a time and Reed for stretches but it was largely a 3 man show and then largely a 1 man show as Harris faded because he was also gassed.

JB cost them that game. Waited too long to bring in Reed then didn't sit Reed at all after that by replacing with Stewart for a time so he ran out of gas eventually, keeping Lavert in the game when he clearly didn't have it tonight, the Jenkins/Sasser lineup was weird and the worst of all, wasting that challenge on the Lavert foul so they were unable to challenge the obvious foul on Ausar at the end. This was a winnable game that the Pistons, led by their coach, completely choked away. One of the most frustrating games I've ever watched.

Trash yet the Pistons will pay him $40m/yr because of good locker room vibes, only 23 years old or some other **** that we heard about Andre Drummond as well. Meanwhile Reed did more in 10 minutes or so in the last two games than Duren did the whole series. In any event, I felt whoever won this game will win the series and feel even stronger about that now. Cleveland just has the better personnel top to bottom even though they're a bit soft. It doesn't help that JB coaches playoff games as bad as Duren plays them and Stewart is like 20% of what he normally is for the second straight playoffs. It doesn't look good either way.

A winnable game ruined by JB sitting Reed and re-inserting Duren and no Ausar on Harden when Harden was cooking the Pistons. JB is a glorified motivator, his X's and O's leave A LOT to be desired.

He looks old and creaky, plus that beard must smell terrible. Not a good combo

Great win. Cade played like a star in the 4th, Harris continues to be consistently good, Ausar just a menace all over the court, Jenkins showing out again. It'll be interesting to see how they handle being a frontrunner for the first time in a playoff series, hopefully they don't feel content up 2-0 and put Cleveland down for good in Game 3.