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The Athletic just had an article on it and they've been saying this ad nauseum on the broadcasts. It's partly what you say, and partly so the long guy doesn't have to face the best part of the order 3 times, so they are more likely to be able to get that extra inning. It messes up matchups for the opposing team - the Athletic article was talking to the M's manager (before he was fired). Overall, as much as I hated it to start, it seems like a really good strategy and it's getting results.

They have said they are designating him as one of the two players they can put directly on IR without having to be on the 53 and still have the ability to return during the season. So he won't count as part of the initial 53 man roster, but is eligible to return. Cominsky is the other one they are doing that with. So anyone else they want to put on IR with the ability to return, has to be on the 53 first and then can get moved to IR.

So to answer your question, Yes, cut players have to pass through waivers. And a team can sign a player to their 53 man roster off of any team's practice squad. So no, Hooker will not get cut. He is 100% on the team. As mentioned above, they may choose to waive Suffield initially as he is extremely unlikely to be claimed, and then resign him prior to week 1 (after they put anyone besides Mosely and Comminsky on IR). They did a similar thing last year in having no kickers on their initial 53 man roster.

Looked to me that his glove was under it.

Looking at last year, Dustin May did less than 3.1 mil - he got 2.135 mil, but he only pitched 48 innings the year before and was out for the year. Griffin Canning received 2.6 mil off 127 IP and 2.0 WAR Michael King received 3.15 mil and had a better year than Mize has this year. Austin Gomber, coming off a 139 IP 5.5 ERA, 1.0 WAR also received 3.15 mil I would think they pickup the option at $3.1 mil, but trust Edman's thoughts much more than mine on this topic. Mize currently has 78 IP and a 0.7 WAR, but he probably would have been on the roster a week ago if not for the team needing the extra 40 man spot and putting him on the 60 day DL. He'll then lose around 12-20 innings because of that. He took that for the team, do they fight him over roughly $500K?

This is actually his 2nd year of arbitration. Last year they agreed to this deal before the hearing. That's where I wonder if he would really get less than $3.1 mil?

Do you know why he hasn’t played this week?

5 runs allowed in the 3 games. And one isn’t earned from the 10th.

Potentially ABS challenge system in minors-same reason hitters have elevated AAA numbers?

They have an option on Mize for 3.1 million. Even with the injury, I suspect they pick it up

I have to think that the Pirates initially thought best case scenario Skenes would be ready mid/late season and they would bring him up now. I mean, it’s not like they started him in AAA. He clearly forced there hand and helped them get into playoff contention. If they knew he’d be ready by the end of May I imagine they would have started him in Pittsburgh. If he stays healthy they would have legitimately had a chance for 3-4 extra draft picks (not sure if you get 2 if ROY and top 3 Cy Young in same season). I don’t think anyone could have predicted he’d dominate so quickly at AA, AAA, and then the majors.

Who says they’d be looking for 150 innings in Detroit? If it’s only for limiting innings to 130-140 they can definitely do that in a lot of ways in Detroit. We don’t have many starters now that are getting to 150. I definitely agree it’s to evaluate Jung and Sweeney, but there is a reason it’s today and wasn’t August 1, or even yesterday. I mean making your debut against the Yankees isn’t as easy as it would have been against say the Royals, or even the Mariners. And most promotions are done on Mondays which are always travel days in the minors and was for Detroit also. It was clearly timed wisely with the draft pick potential in mind. They aren’t going to lose 3 potential opportunities for an extra pick from Jobe to skip starts or short start him in Toledo rather than Detroit if innings are the only concern of his readiness.

I don’t think there’s anyway they don’t start Jobe in Detroit if it is only for limiting innings. There’s a reason Jung is called up today-it’s the 1st day he could while keeping 2025 rookie status and thus the chance, however slim for the extra draft pick if he’s ROY or top 3 in MVP pre arbitration. They aren’t going to give up that chance on Jobe just to limit his innings in Toledo instead of Detroit.

No doubt. But going into the season, they were way down the line of guys most thought we had in depth. Manning, SGL, and Madden were all ahead of them. Mize and Olson getting hurt, Maeda struggling, and Flaherty being traded are all obviously going to destroy what depth we though we had. And IMO it was reasonable to expect we had enough depth. Mize has shown he could be an average starter. Manning also showed that in stretches. Maeda's career also showed that. Gipson-Long also showed flashes of being able to at least fill in reasonably. You could see hope in Madden taking an Olson type step. The fact that all those things went wrong and we still are getting solid pitching from the guys who were 10th-12th on the depth chart at best going into the year is actually impressive. Our pitching is the primary reason we are only 5 games under .500 (with 7 more games against the White Sox ahead ) I also wonder if the ABS challenge system in the minors is currently making pitchers look worse in AAA than they are when they get to the majors? In the same way it is making it easier for hitters. Obviously there will be a large shift whenever MLB adopts the system.

Montero, Sammons, Hurter are currently doing just that. The Tigers aren’t below.500 because of pitching injuries. The games they’ve lost have been much more from offense struggles than pitching. And the fact that they are playing as well as they are now is a testament to somehow getting reasonable pitching from guys who weren’t expected to be called upon.

I believe it’s If you lose one, you can protect one.

Having McGonigle below Madden, Melton, and Sweeny doesn't make any sense to me. And not having Hamm in the top 20?

One thing in favor of him being on opening day roster is the potential draft pick bonus if he’d win ROY. If they think he’s ready, I think they figure out his innings in Detroit for that possibility alone.

And it’s not like he was crazy wild. 65 strikes and 37 balls

And 2 steals for good measure

Maybe because Kreidler is at short.

I would say that’s the minimum if you’re just comparing the 2. Flaherty’s numbers you posted are significantly better than Montgomery’s. Now will a team be as aggressive after him as the Rangers were? That’s another question.

Yes, Gibson-Long also

I don’t know. We got Olson for one of them. Candelario and Paredes in another. Even Lange exceeded considerably what we would have gotten for the few months. i agree I’d rather extend, or better yet, trade and resign if they identify someone worth trading them for.

I thought he was mocked to us because of our ties with him more than the expectations he was the best “ranked” prospect at that time, but I could be wrong.