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No doubt. But going into the season, they were way down the line of guys most thought we had in depth. Manning, SGL, and Madden were all ahead of them. Mize and Olson getting hurt, Maeda struggling, and Flaherty being traded are all obviously going to destroy what depth we though we had. And IMO it was reasonable to expect we had enough depth. Mize has shown he could be an average starter. Manning also showed that in stretches. Maeda's career also showed that. Gipson-Long also showed flashes of being able to at least fill in reasonably. You could see hope in Madden taking an Olson type step. The fact that all those things went wrong and we still are getting solid pitching from the guys who were 10th-12th on the depth chart at best going into the year is actually impressive. Our pitching is the primary reason we are only 5 games under .500 (with 7 more games against the White Sox ahead ) I also wonder if the ABS challenge system in the minors is currently making pitchers look worse in AAA than they are when they get to the majors? In the same way it is making it easier for hitters. Obviously there will be a large shift whenever MLB adopts the system.

Montero, Sammons, Hurter are currently doing just that. The Tigers aren’t below.500 because of pitching injuries. The games they’ve lost have been much more from offense struggles than pitching. And the fact that they are playing as well as they are now is a testament to somehow getting reasonable pitching from guys who weren’t expected to be called upon.

I believe it’s If you lose one, you can protect one.

Having McGonigle below Madden, Melton, and Sweeny doesn't make any sense to me. And not having Hamm in the top 20?

One thing in favor of him being on opening day roster is the potential draft pick bonus if he’d win ROY. If they think he’s ready, I think they figure out his innings in Detroit for that possibility alone.

And it’s not like he was crazy wild. 65 strikes and 37 balls

And 2 steals for good measure

Maybe because Kreidler is at short.

I would say that’s the minimum if you’re just comparing the 2. Flaherty’s numbers you posted are significantly better than Montgomery’s. Now will a team be as aggressive after him as the Rangers were? That’s another question.

Yes, Gibson-Long also

I don’t know. We got Olson for one of them. Candelario and Paredes in another. Even Lange exceeded considerably what we would have gotten for the few months. i agree I’d rather extend, or better yet, trade and resign if they identify someone worth trading them for.

I thought he was mocked to us because of our ties with him more than the expectations he was the best “ranked” prospect at that time, but I could be wrong.

And I think the draft pick was a very large factor against Chapman who had an awful year last year after the first month or so.

Maybe they are looking to extend Decker for a year as part of it? The rolling over definitely makes sense also. It definitely gives them flexibility.

What they did though, is give them a bit of an out in 2026 if things would fall apart as even though they would have a dead money hit of over $63 million, it is still less than his cap number and could be spread over 2 years. It leaves a bit more flexibility in a worst case scenario and they have options to lower the hit if things continue to go well.

Yeah they can definitely add void years and switch his 2026 salary to bonus if they want as well.

So assuming they added a void year, the signing bonus allocation would be just over $12 mil per year (this year, the 4 year extension and the void year) so if they need to move on him after year 3, there would be 24.3 mil in SB allocation left plus it appears $5 mil in guaranteed $ so a total of around $29 million dead money that could be spread over 2 years-very manageable. If they didn’t add a void year, the annual bonus allocation goes up to $14.6 million which means the dead money would be left after year 3 of the extension (4years from now) would be $19.6 million (assuming $5 million of the last year is guaranteed to get to the total $170 guaranteed) Obviously he may be restructured throughout which may affect the ending cap hit, but it could be very manageable at the end. He will also still only be Cousin’s age in 6 years to it may be extended again.

From pipeline’s write up on Jung That’s if he sticks at second base. Jung was a surprise Rawlings Minor League Gold Glove winner given his pre-Draft reputation, but he impressed Tigers officials and Minor League managers with his ability to handle what’s hit to him with his good hands. However, his lack of range limits his defensive ceiling up the middle, and his trial at third coincided with Colt Keith getting looks at the keystone. Jung’s offensive ability is too good to ignore, and should he keep hitting the right benchmarks, he'll remain valuable in the lineup regardless of his defensive spot.

One of the reasons they moved him to 3rd was his lack of range-don’t think Short is an option at all.

Hey, he is on pace for 50 doubles…and obviously 0 homers. 🤦🏻

Here would be a sample deal to show what MB is saying. Goff currently has a cap hit of $32.3 mil for 2024 with 22.3 in salary, 5 mil roster bonus and 5 mil prorated signing bonus. A proposed 4 year $200 mil extension with $90 mil signing bonus and $125 mil guaranteed new money could look like something like this. If they add a void year, the signing bonus would get spread over 6 years - current 2024, 4 year extension, plus the 1 void year. So the signing bonus allocation would be $15 mil per year. 2024: convert $15 mil of his $27.3 mil salary/roster bonus to new signing bonus. Cap hit would be $12.3 mil salary, $5 mil from previous signing bonus + $15 mil new signing bonus allocation for total cap hit of $32.3 mil - identical to current. 2025: Fully guaranteed salary of $15 mil + $15 mil signing bonus allocation for cap hit of $30 mil 2026: Fully guaranteed salary of $20 mil + $15 mil signing bonus allocation for cap hit of $35 mil 2027: Salary of $35 mil ($15 mil fully guaranteed - gets to the $125mil guaranteed new money) + $15 mil signing bonus allocation for cap hit of $50 mil 2028: Salary of $40 mil + signing bonus allocation for cap hit of $55 mil 2029 void year: signing bonus allocation of $15 mil for cap hit of $15 mil So proposed cap hits of $32.3 mil in 2024 (identical to current), $30 mil in 2025, $35 mil in 2026 - almost an identical average for those 3 years as his 2024 hit. Obviously they would have roster bonus'/other ways of adjusting the hits if they wanted more cap space in certain years, but this would also allow them to get out of the deal after 2026 if they had to for a dead money hit of $60 million which is $10 million more than what his 2027 cap number would be if they kept him, or they could spread it over 2 years and free up $20 million in 2027, $25 mil in 2028, and $15 mil in 2029. If they cut him after 2027, they would have a dead money hit of $30 mil which if they didn't spread it over 2 years, would save them $25 mil on the cap in 2028 and $15 mil in 2029. - so no major pill like the Hurts deal. This is just a lot to say/show that a 4 yr $200 mil extension can simply be structured to not cripple the cap. The team would have many other roster bonuses/etc to further manipulate the cap numbers besides this.

I think Cousin's deal shows that he would likely get at least around 4 yrs $200 mil on the open market. I definitely don't want them to go crazy, but IMO he has earned around that and whenever he signs, his first 2 years will likely be at a similar or lower cap hit than he has had the last 2 seasons. It would be the last couple years where the cap hit would increase, but by then the cap will be significantly higher as well.

Yes, we are in Florida and got the notice from Xfinity also. Fortunately we can watch Tiger games on MLBTV except when they are in Tampa.

How about this: All Pro: 100% Pro Bowl: 95% Starter on playoff caliber team: 90% Starter on team like the 2021 Lions/ solid rotational player currently 80% Special Teams contributer/still on roster contributing10-25% of snaps: 70% Still on roster, barely contributing: 60% Contributed some over years, but not on current roster: 50% Not in Football: F Round bonus: Round 1: 0% Round 2: 5% Round 3: 10% Round 4: 15% Round 5: 20% Round 6: 25% Round 7: 30%, FA: 35% So 2021: Sewell: 100% + 0 bonus = 100% Levi: 60% + 5% bonus = 65% Aim: 95% + 10% = 105% Iffy: 80% + 15% = 95% St Brown: 100% + 20% = 120% Barnes: 80% + 20% = 100% Jefferson: 50% + 35% = 85% Wright: 80% + 35% =115% Jacobs: 70% + 35% = 105% Total 890%/9 = 98.89% Definitely and A to A+