AlaskanTigersFan

Sorry I think you accidently mistyped after the #1 and #2...... 😏

This is taking too long... come on Scott. Push Greenburg to pull the trigger already.....

Big difference from Lorenzen and Flaherty though. Flaherty will bet a pick near #35 in the draft. Lorenzen wouldn't of..... If we don't get at least a first round grade talent, we keep Flaherty. The return should be better than Hao-Yu.... Dalton Rushing for Flaherty is a good comparison....

If we need pitching to cover games, Dakota Hudson got cut by Colorado. Still hasn't been picked up. I think there's a few other vets that have been released.

I hope we trade him then re-sign him in the off season. That'd be ideal.

Orioles just got Zack Efflin. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/orioles-to-acquire-zach-eflin-from-rays.html Maybe this takes them out of Flaherty and/or Skubal. Or it allows them to ship SP back to us for one of them???? 🤔🤔🤔

I knew I was forgetting someone ROLF

Every pitch Jack threw last night, I held my breath. Time to move him and Skubal NOW.

So much talk with the Holliday trades.... Sorry, I just don't get it. Any deal that includes Holliday would pretty much be it. Are we basically willing to trade Skubal for Holliday? Any Add-ins from Baltimore side won't be super high end pieces..... I'd rather NOT get Holliday and get a package involving two of Cowser, Kjersted, Besallo, Mayo and add in one of Povich, Norby, Mcdermet..... That's much better value than just trying to get basically one player.... We have too many long term holes to fill.

I don't think Rushing is going to be a "superstar" though. We need guys that have a chance at being a superstar. Kjerstad and Mayo have the .900+ ops type to carry teams if they "hit" so to speak as prospects. We need stud level. I don't think Rushing, Freeland or Jackson Ferris offer that type of upside.

Way to up the trade Value JACK!

I dunno. If they got Kjersted, Mayo and Povich the lineup late next year/going into 26 could look like 1. - Clark CF 2. Kjersted LF 3. Greene - RF 4. Mayo - 3B 5. Jung - 2B 6 - Carpenter 1B 7. McGonigle SS/FA to hold over for Rainer 8. Dingler 9. DH (FA) (maybe Tork figures it out) This doesn't even include anyone we sign outside of our organization. In the offseason, offer Burnes and Flaherty to Resign. Burnes Jobe Flaherty Olson Mize (?) Bullpen That my friends is a playoff team. Ahh one can dream..... Ok back to reality.....

Scuse my ignorance. But is there any way the Pistons don't finish in the bottom 5 teams in the league this year? Or is it pretty well written in stone?

Lets go Jack! Increase that trade value!

Heres some floated rumors: https://www.mlb.com/news/jack-flaherty-rumors - Flaherty for Norby and Bradfield (BAL) or Flaherty for Dalton Rushing and Noah Miller (LAD) I'd take Baltimore's deal in heartbeat.

Just curious on thought process. They traded more for 1 year of Burnes....

I dunno if you're legit saying that or trying to get a jab in. Kwan - .891 Fry - .860 Ramirez - .835 Naylor .792 (Close enough which I pointed out in previous post to be considered for argument sake). Even without Naylor, 30% of your lineup fits the criteria......

That's not 100% accurate. I looked up Cleveland and they have three guys. Plus, I also consider guys .790 to be close enough to .800 for arugment sake. I see what you're saying here. But https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/stats/_/name/cle/table/batting/sort/OPS/dir/desc shows three players not two. SO I'm not 100% sure how accurate that is. https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/stats/_/name/bos/table/batting/sort/OPS/dir/desc - Red sox have 6, that shows they have two. Just another example. (Thank you for looking that up though)

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying OBJECTIVELY that a team without at least three .800 OPS hitters will MOST LIKELY NOT win the World Series. It can be done, sure. Any team can get hot if they get in to the playoffs. The players playing in MLB are obviously good if they are in the MLB. What I'm saying is, we can sit here all day and say we're "Close" to getting in the playoffs or we can use our assets now and DRASTICALLY IMPROVE our chances to get to three+ .800 players who OBJECTIVELY will GIVE US a BETTER chance at actually winning the thing.... If you can honestly sit here and tell me that the Tigers will beat the Phillies, Dodgers, Yankees, Orioles, and Cleveland then I'll shut up. But we have the chance here to drastically improve our team in the near future. Going for it this year will be setting us up for failure in the years to come. They can get so much for Flaherty and Skubal right now that they can add three possibly four position players of first division calibur (.800+ OPS). Then you Sign one or two pitchers in Free Agency or trade for one to replace Skubal. Take the Moneyball approach with Skubal. Can you replace him directly? No. But can you sign two #2 pitchers in FA to make up for him along with four first division players in your lineup? Yes. (It's been proven numerous times that teams that don't have cy young candidates leading their rotation can win a WS). Or if an Ace does hit FA, then you pay for him. Hell Corbin Burnes will be a FA. Trade Skubal, and use MONEY from one of the richest owners in Baseball to sign Burnes. Burnes and Jobe is a nice 1-2. All I'm saying is our lineup is not WS calibur. I think if you can step back and actually look at it, you will see that. We all like this team. But take the subjective look out of it and look at things objectively. If we buy or stand pat, we are Al Avila 2.0. We will be stuck in this endless loop of mediocrity purgatory. The time is NOW to get better. And you get better by trading Skubal and Flaherty for 3-4 guys who will be in the lineup for the next decade.

When you said that LAD, Phillies and Orioles all have 4+ .800 hitters.... That's what I'm saying you proved. Those 3 are by far the leaders in odds of winning the World Series. I wasn't referring to you on the 2nd part......

And who is most likely going to win the World Series? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔. Thank you for proving my point Casimir. And by the way, it doesn't even need to be 4 or 5. 3-4 should suffice. But I'd wager anything that no team has won the WS in the last 30 years w/o at least 3 hitters above .800 OPS. For all you internet sleuths out there, go for it. I'd be curious on that.

Avila hung on to players when he coulda sold. Set us back bigtime. Fulmer, Boyd, Kinsler. Castellanos are all examples. I don't want Skubal to be a Harris victim

I'm just saying the Tigers are nowhere near a true playoff contender team..... Until we have 4-5 players consistently above .800, its all pretend. The offense isn't there, behind Skubal and Flaherty, the SP isn't there. We are still 2-3 years away from being serious contenders. Now's the time to see for that window. Avila screwed us by not committing to a full rebuild sooner. This is called MLB purgatory.... Only way to get out of it, is to do a rebuild correctly. Move Flaherty AND Skubal now to quit this loop of endlessness.

She couldn't do much worse than Javy....

Please name anyone else besides Greene, Keith and MAYBE Malloy who'd be starting on a playoff caliber team? I dunno who you like, but if you like last place, you get a gold star...... (No disprespect meant). But our team sucks bro and we're lucky af to be where we are. We have ONE batter with an OPS above .800. Come on guys, get back to reality. Unless we have five or six of these guys, we are going to be sucking as much as the chick in the dress on woodward.... Lets get real.