Longgone

Annual reminder: player visits don't mean much, last year only two of the eight Lions drafted had visited (Hutchinson and Joseph).

He's old, injured, and yet amazingly unrefined and erratic. He was in a system that didn't at all prepare him for the NFL. He has kind of a long and loopy release. Not sure why you're so hot for him.

Y'all are over thinking this. They have no need to draft a quarterback. If one is the highest rated player on their board when their turn comes up, then take him. If some other position is rated higher and helps the team more, then take him. Only trade up if an individual has so much more value than the other available pool of players to make it worthwhile.

I'd be okay if they never gave up premium draft assets for expensive veterans.

Mazi is going to go earlier than you think.

I'm just countering Budda

Charles Rogers? Titus Young?

No, you don't draft him if he is immature, unfocused, unreliable and uncommitted, despite his physical talent.

To me it's pass/fail, if, after you do your due diligence, he passes as an acceptable level of risk, take him at 6, if not, take him off your board.

To what end?

The problem with this draft, as wonderfully deep as it is, it is light at the top. Pretty much anyone at 6 is going to have some discouraging flaws.

This just isn't true. Gradewise, talentwise, valuewise, Skoronski fits right in with any pool of players who might be available at 6. To downgrade him simply due to arm length is ignorant.

Skoronski, everyone grades him as a star at either tackle position, he may profile better as a guard, but that doesn't diminish his prospects as a tackle.

I understand, but it's tough to hit playing sporadically, its often not indicative.

I believe he's a much better hitter than he's shown so far in the bigs, he's never gotten regular at bats.

I don't think Holmes rules out any position. He'll draft whoever is highest on his board. Draft for value, fill needs with free agency.

For all Baddoo's considerable gifts, he's still quite raw, he needs reps. A full year in Toledo would not hurt him at all.

There's not too fine a point to be put on the fact that you need two wide-outs as well as a slot receiver, and the loss of Chark leaves a prime opportunity for upgrade.

No, they play different positions, Williams will take Reynolds spot as the z receiver. Who will be the x? Cephus? Reynolds? Not ideal.

He plays hard, just runs out of gas, and he's probably the most physically talented player in the draft. It's well known Smart has had to stay on him, and he's not always practiced hard or prepared well. This isn't all that unusual for those who can get by on their ability alone. However, this does not sound like a guy that has the "it factor" that Holmes and Campbell always talk about looking for when they talk about additions to the team. I think, early in the draft especially, they will want someone who has those character attributes that they claim to value so much.

It's not the one issue for Carter, he has a history of not training or practicing hard, of stamina issues, of not being reliable and responsible, of being immature. Does not sound like a Holmes/Campbell kind of guy.

Wrong

I think if Detroit wanted Chark, they'd have him, we just don't know why they opted not to, or what alternatives they have in mind. I don't believe they'll want to run Reynolds or Cephus out as the primary x. I don't think a rookie is ideal either, because wr, like db, takes a while to learn the nuances of the position.

He's a splendid tackle, some project him to guard solely because his arm length is less than ideal. He could star at any of the 5 oline positions. That kind of flexibility is valuable.

He has character issues of his own, a $20 million salary, is of an age where skill players generally decline and would cost draft assets. I'd rather sign Chark.