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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
Its not acceptable, but shit happens. If you think some contrived carrot/stick is going to make any difference, then i don't know what else can be said.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
I believe that is a baseless assumption.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
That's a perception. They are all trying to be successful. You may not like it, you may not, as a fan, have the patience for it, but that doesn't make wrong or unnecessary. The idea that all teams can compete at all times every year is just absurd. Rebuilding is a reality in every major sport, to deny that is naive. To punish that, or believe some incentive will prevent it is equally absurd.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
Atta boy, keep chewing that rubber bone- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
The Tigers have short and long term plans, they have an organizational chart where people have specific responsibilities, goals and objectives for hiring, scouting, drafting, player development, etc, and I assure you none of those are on Hinch's plate. Sure he'll give input on potential staff and players, all managers do, and sure he has input on developmental processes, all staff do, but he ain't driving the bus cause it ain't his responsibility, he's a manager with a very specific set of responsibilities, he's not going to go around usurping other peoples duties.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
A lottery will have no impact on "tanking", because teams aren't doing it for financial reasons, that is a faulty assumption. They are simply taking a longer term strategy to success, that is all, some competently, some not so much. Thinking it's laziness or greed that cause teams to lose on purpose, and some contrived carrot or stick will change behaviour in an already extremely competitive industry is just mind boggling. They are REBUILDING, exchanging present assets for future ones. There's nothing wrong with that! Idealy you maintain an adequate core to be consistently competitive, but the fates are fickle, it doesn't always work that way.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
I agree, they put themselves in a box, although who would have thought the demand would be so poor?- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
Hinch was a superb hire, but if you think he is highly responsible for scouting, drafting and player development, then you have no idea how clubs operate.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
So don't take a chance and get nothing? I don't think the Tigers were dumping salary, as much as they knew they weren't resigning him, so they took what they could get. Unfortunately, it sucked.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
1. Rebuilding teams would add payroll by taking on bloated contracts for prospects or flip anyone successful and continue to "tank". 2. Punishes weaker teams for bad luck or poor management, making it even less likely for them to improve. Do you really think some contrived carrot and stick approach is going to make any difference in an already highly competitive environment? 3. Defeats the whole purpose of a draft; to allow weaker teams the opportunity to gain ground. Face it, tanking is rebuilding, rebuilding may be painful, but it's not bad.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
TBF, Martinez was a free agent at the end of the year, so getting something for him was better than nothing. I don't have have any problem with the strategy or timing of the Detroit rebuild, however in my world the prospects would have all panned out and the short term free agents would all have been successful and flipped for viable prospects.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
I maintain that tanking is a perceived problem and not an actual one. The idea that all teams can be competitive every year is illogical. Teams, at times, need to rebuild, and to rebuild you need to exchange present assets for future ones. You can't get rid of assets and simultaneously remain competitive, it just doesn't make sense. If you sign a successful free agent, the logical thing to do is flip him for future assets to fulfil the rebuild, thereby reducing competitiveness. You can call that "tanking" but it is a reasonable strategy at times, and nothing that requires any punitive measures.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
Punishing someone for losing is the antithesis of a draft. Mixing the two concepts is absurd.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
Let's agree that it is. A lottery isn't going to help the situation in any way and may make it worse.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
Sure, but that doesn't mean it's intentional and you should be punished if it happens, major sports are extremely competitive and capricious.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
I believe it's generally a poor strategy to operate in the middle. If you are going to rebuild, rebuild and use current assets to reload and build a future competitive core. If you have a decent core then sure. Teams need to be able to make that judgement call.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
The whole purpose of a draft is to allow the worst teams an opportunity to improve. Why convolute that principle when it likely won't impact perceived behavior?- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
Again, it's a faulty assumption that a) rebuilding is bad and everyone should strive to be mediocre while rebuilding, and b) a lottery is somehow going to change perceived behavior. If I were rebuilding, and I acquired an asset that made me more competitive, I'd flip him for future assets that fit more with a projected core.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
And you believe a lottery will have a positive effect on this?- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
I believe it's a fallacy that teams are incentivized by draft picks. Teams do get in situations where they need to rebuild, and so they trade veteran talent for future assets. This causes them to lose games, which as a byproduct, gives them higher draft picks, which leads to better players and winning games. You can bemoan this cycle, but it is a part of sports, and really isn't a problem. I love watching a team gather young talent and rebuild, even if they struggle for a while. A greater threat, to me, would be the loss of revenue sharing and the competitive balance tax and penalties. Without those you're back to the Yankees and Dodgers being able to buy all the top talent and create a competitive imbalance. Giving weaker teams the opportunity to rebuild and preventing too much of an economic disparity among teams regarding access to talent are two key issues. I'm all for getting younger players more money, however, without shortening free agency.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
Lotteries stink. They don't work and somebody always gets screwed.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
It seems, in labor negotiations, it never appears close until up against the perceived deadline. Baseball, both sides, have a bad habit of negotiating in the press, but you can't tell anything from that.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
No, it's not. Look at what happened to Schoop, Mazara and Reyes who were delayed in the spring. They need all of it to get the timing down and for pitchers to build up arm strength. It's not just a matter of getting in shape, it's getting major league game ready.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
No, no one gets serious until they perceive it's the last minute. It's human nature.- 1,851 replies
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There's very little truth in these statements. Why you would want to pooh pooh a pandemic that has killed over 825,000 Americans, and is still killing over 1,200 per day, has hospitalised millions and left them with long term health issues, all despite worldwide mitigation efforts and the miraculous arrival of the vaccines, is beyond me. I get it, you're sick of it, we're all sick of it, but calling it, " a common cold", and distorting statistics to minimize it's impact is just odious.