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Everything posted by Longgone
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Easy there, big fella!
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Length and AAV, they've not been top of the market players. 10/300+ seems inconceivable for them.
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Not their style.
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It's not by popularity, it's the player most checked out on Baseball Reference in that state.
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The players want younger players paid more, they’ll increase starting salaries and maybe tie them to an index, maybe earlier arbitration. No one is proposing eliminating the luxury tax, players want higher ceilings and no penalties for exceeding, owners want lower, they’ll meet in the middle. Players want earlier free agency, probably get it for older players. Both sides have proposed “anti tanking “ measures. I don’t believe anyone seriously wants a floor. Nothing revolutionary here.
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Nah, they’ll settle, the differences aren’t that extreme.
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Ahh, it will end up at the last minute like most labor negotiations, with the owners making some concessions, and the players acting like they conceded because they didn't get everything they demanded.
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It's a nice, upscale residence.
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*bull residence
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
Everyone is trying to win. It's just like poker, sometimes you fold on a lousy opportunity to win now, for a better opportunity later.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
And sometimes it's prudent to rebuild, sometimes things are cyclical, sometimes it makes no sense to expend resources now, while simultaneously trading current assets for future ones. The goal is to build a future championship team, not a current mediocre one.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
I believe tanking, which is deliberately trying to lose, rarely, if ever, happens. I believe there are teams, who are not competitive at present, that trade present assets for future assets, and don't see the sense in wasting financial resources in this weakened state just to rise to mediocre, while they try to accumulate a young base to build around. I can see where this bothers fans, however, whether you like it or not, whether it is successful or not, it is a legitimate strategy and it should be a teams prerogative how to build their club, and there should be no artificial incentives or penalties installed to manipulate teams into doing something other than what they feel is in their best long term interests, especially when the issue is more perception than reality. All teams want to win. How they do that should be up to each individual team. When players speak of tanking, they simply mean they want teams to spend more money, which is understandable.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
This is just as shallow, biased and lopsided an opinion as the one you are venting about.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
The players have consistently been adamantly opposed to ay type of hard cap, and the owners seem well beyond proposing one at this point. I don't see that being an issue for this negotiation.- 1,851 replies
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I'm still stuck in Brampton after kayaking over from Whitefish Point last year.
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
Unfortunately, none of them are covered by the agreement.- 1,851 replies
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You can have an inferior party for the minor league portion.
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
I'm not advocating for either side. Merely stating the situation that exists that makes this negotiation a bit difficult. The players have lots of demands and few concessions to give, The owners have meager demands, and no incentive to make concessions. That makes these negotiations tricky and puts the onus for movement on the players. Those are just facts.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
Nothingburger- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
Players will never agree to a hard cap in any form, and I'm not suggesting any type of floor or minimum.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
For heavens sake, it's not a matter of reasonable. Its a negotiation. It's a lot of demands from the current negotiated agreement with no concessions. What sounds "reasonable" to you is irrelevant .- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
I think there are two main areas that could lead to a resolution without too much disruption of the status quo. One, raise the luxury tax ceiling based on some formulation of revenue, second, find a way to get younger players paid more, without the risk of smaller markets losing control, i.e. performance bonuses or early arbitration, etc.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
Early arbitration, early free agency, eliminating the luxury tax, eliminating draft penalties for signing premium free agents...- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
If it gets to the point where you have to try to force the other side into a concession, instead of bargaining in good faith, you have failed.- 1,851 replies
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LOCKOUT '22: When will we see baseball again?
Longgone replied to Motor City Sonics's topic in Detroit Tigers
That would be a fair and reasonable conclusion, to be made whole from the previous agreement, and gain some modest improvements. That's far from what is the current position, however.- 1,851 replies